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Old 15-09-2008

Planckendael:
There is a new, a third Meles meles (Badger) in Planckendael

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Old 18-09-2008



The plans for the new aviary with Pinguins and Flamingo's. It will be open for visitors. They start to build this in 2009 on the old "Duck breedingfarm"...
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Old 18-09-2008

Wow this looks like a big penguinpool! Looks good!
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Old 18-09-2008

I agree, very impressive looking, hope all the best like usual,
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Old 18-09-2008

And is it sure that the humboldts of ZOO Antwerp are going to move to Planckendael?

I wonder what the ZOO of Antwerp is going to do with the space of the humboldts accomodation.
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Old 20-09-2008

Planckendael and Apenheul are going to arrange an exchange of bonobos next week on Wednesday, 24th.

The two female bonobos "Lomela" (*19.05.1992 in Frankfurt, "Bono" x "Salonga") and "Jasiri" (*06.11.2002 in Apenheul, "Mwindu" x "Lomela") will travel to Planckendael to breed with "Kidogo II". In return "Hortense" (*~1982 WILD) and her three sons "Redy" (*24.11.1990 in Planckendael, "Desmond" x "Hortense"), "Zamba" (*16.04.1998 in Planckendael, "Kidogo II" x "Hortense") and "Hongo" (*25.02.2006 in Plackendael, "Vifiyo" x "Hortense") will go to Apenheul to revitalise the breeding, that stagnated after the death of "Mwindu" in 2007.

In my mind this exchange is a bad decision.
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Old 22-09-2008

Why that BjoerN?
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Old 22-09-2008

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Why that BjoerN?
For Planckendael it is bad news, but for Apenheul good news. The male's can"t be everywhere at the same time, so this is needed. It is only a question of the 30years old Hortonse will adapt in the new group...

The two elder males shall have problems too, they are high in the ranking now, in Apenheul not...

But there will be more shifting in Bonobogroups they announced... Across the world...
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Old 22-09-2008

@Litoria Caerulea and Gorilla Gust

At the first sight it seems to be a good deal for both zoos. Planckendael gets 2 young females substitutional to one old female and Apeldoorn receives two young fertile males to revitalise the breeding and an old females, that is experienced in breeding.

But let consider it genetically. "Lomela" and "Jasiri", daughter of a dead founder, are going to breed with "Kidogo II" in the future. "Kidogo II" is a son of "Masikini", the most potent bonobo male ever. He became father of 17 bonobos in Stuttgart and his male line is already over represented in the European population.
"Zamba", 10 year old son of "Hortense" is a son of "Kidogo II", "Hongo" is a grandson of him. Only "Redy" does not have any relationship to "Kidogo II".

The offspring of "Lomela" and "Jasiri" in Planckendael and "Jill", "Kumbuka", "Zuani" and "Liboso" in Apeldoorn is going to get problems to breed without inbreeding in the future, because "Kidogos" brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and sons are living all over Europe in the Zoos of Stuttgart, Berlin, Leipzig, Planckendael, Frankfurt, Wuppertal, Apeldoorn and Twycross....

Thats the dilemma I would like to demonstrate.
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Old 23-09-2008

Thank you for this clarification :-)
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Old 23-09-2008

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But there will be more shifting in Bonobogroups they announced... Across the world...
Could Kidogo II be moving and another male coming in. Are there any other unrelated adult males in Planckendael?
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Old 23-09-2008

They will be moving a lot of Bonobo's, according to the dutch press release that Apenheul did. Not only in Apenheul, but over the whole world. So that there will be only a minimal inbreed, and everything will be genetically ok (if possible)...

Perhaps the Planckendael situation is only for a few years/months?
I hope it !
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Old 23-09-2008

@Upali
All adult males except for Kidogo II moved to Apeldoorn....

@Gorilla Gust
An exchange between the North American and European bonobo population would be desirable. The last transfer (0,2 "Unga" and "Kosana" from Planckendael to Columbus Zoo, Ohio) took place in 2001 and was a show of financial strength, clouded by the terroristic attacks.
The US bonobo population is in flux at the moment, several tranfers between the North American Zoo happened and will happen in the next months.

If it is possible, could you post the article from the dutch press that contains this statements please??
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Old 23-09-2008

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If it is possible, could you post the article from the dutch press that contains this statements please??

Uitwisseling van bonobo's
De bonobo-uitwisseling is onderdeel van een Europees fokprogramma (EEP). Door het uitwisselen van dieren binnen Europese dierentuinen, maar ook wereldwijd, wordt er voor het behoud van genetische diversiteit gezorgd. De komende jaren verhuizen bonobo's vanuit meer dierentuinen. Een vereiste om inteelt te voorkomen; met name bij diersoorten die slecht vertegenwoordigd zijn in dierentuinen. Ook vanuit Apenheul vinden in de toekomst meerdere uitwisselingen plaats. Uiteindelijk zal de groep voor een groot deel uit nieuwe dieren bestaan.

source: Apenheul.nl

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Old 23-09-2008

Who does the planckendael group contain now. Any information on the animals in the group? I thought it was quiet a good breeding group.

Slightly of topic but do you know what other bonobo transfers are planned?
 


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