World first rhino birth » Budapest Zoo

06-02-2007

not that i know of...

before the import i thought they just had the original ex whipsnade pair. but

that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

06-02-2007

i thought lekwazi was born at western plains zoo, one of the first white rhinos to be born in australia? im not sure where leroy came from.
the 3rd amle i think was named Kepamba???

06-02-2007

Hey Glyn, Likwezi was born at Dubbo in 1985, the fourth white rhino to be born there. He was moved to Werribee in 1989.

Werribee's original pair came from Whipsnade in 1980, followed by a male from Emmen in the Netherlands in 1996, and then the big shipment came in from South Africa in 1999.

I haven't heard of Leroy or Kepamba.

07-02-2007

ok, well im going from two sources, neither first hand but hopefully enough to jog someones memory.
source A-Zoos Company-the episode on Weribee follows Leroy and Likwezi lack of breeding success. By the way, i though Likwezi was female, as Leroy definitely had the penis in this episode.
Source B-Australian Geographic, 1998-Peter Stroud
'so in an effort to get the group dynamics right we just imported a 20 month old male Kepamba from the Netherlands at a cost of $20, 000'.
he was featured in an article on zoos breeding endangered species and was talking about socialisation in white rhinos.

07-02-2007

Hey Glyn, a couple of typos have caused the confusion. Likwezi is definitely female - I meant to write 'she' not 'he'. And there's a Kapamba (with an a), but I was searching for a Kepamba (with an e) yesterday.

So Werribee has five males: Swazi, Kapamba, Umgana, Lee and Ganini. I'm betting that Lee = Leroy.

I think that solves the mysterious "missing" rhinos

07-02-2007

i think that solves it for sure. thanks for the update, and ill take more care with my vowells in the future

07-02-2007

And I'll watch my consonants

white rhino
10-02-2007

Glyn, I am also 99% sure you are right about the import of a young male White rhino from the Netherlands, I tend to take note of anything about rhinos,

10-02-2007

Yep I mentioned earlier in this threa that a male rhino was imported to Werribee from Emmen Zoo in the Netherlands in 1997. His name is Kapamba and he was born in 1996 at Emmen. He hasn't sired any young at this stage.

18-02-2007

Hi there
Any one having an update on the Northern White Rhinoceros in captivity.
I thought the AI was mainly aimed at them? I think there is only one cow still having cycles in a zoo in the Check republic. She had a female calf in 2000- but to my knowledge no luck since then...
Thanks

27-02-2007

As far as I know, Dvur Kralov in Czech republic is now the only zoo with this subspecies- they have about nine/ten animals plus one hybrid(NorthernxSouthern) I don't know about recent breeding- presumably the same problem occurs as with the Southern Whites,with difficulties breeding from them in the F1 generation.

I found a studbook for EEP White Rhino(with full details on all the animals) on the internet but I can't find/access it again at present....

27-02-2007

now this is one taxa i have zero hope for. inbreeding would be a massive problem for such a small population and thats even if all founders bred readily and with the right partners at the right time. i've knocked the dvur kralov zoo before for holding on to this race for so long when clearly they where not having huge success and it was all going to be downhill from here on in. i had people bite my head off (can't remeber who tho)..

i've thought the only real hope wasto repatriate all of the captive animals in the czech republic to kenya (a former native country) into a protected preserve. lets face it, rhino breed well in the wild but whilst we can breed them in captivity we have far from mastered it.

if the former czech nimals were reproducing well in kenya, then it may, and i stress here may, have boosted efforts to relocate some of the last few congo animals (a plan that was scratched).

in eny event - its too late now all over. and whoever it was who told me i was wrog when i questioned this zoos ability to save the rhino, well, i'm smarter than them

they should take DNA samples of every last northern white (including the old san diego animals) and store it. then they should hybridise the northerns with southerns and re-introduce these hybrids into a safe former nation in africa. at least then you are reintroducing white rhino to an area they have gone extinct (a good thing) and they at least have a bit of the genetics that was presumably an advantage to the rhino of the north.

(oh and the DNA was ya know, just in case one day we wanna clone the founders and start again...)

28-02-2007

Patrick- you are probably right there. ..

I often wonder what a depressing interest it is to be keen on conservation.

But a big part of my self really wants to keep the positive position.

Well in my case, I like the old Viking saying:
"Enn er von meðan lÃÂ*f endist"
-Where there is still a life there is a hope,
(however fully aware the the vikings where not the most popular ancient culture in the western world!)

Well in any case the situation for the Northern White rhinoceros is pretty desperate one.
Only one of the females in Dvur Karlov is able to breed, her daughter born in 2000 must be also coming up?
I think the main purpose of this AI program was to try to help the the Northern White rhinoceros. I think in 2004 or 2005 the Berlin team where very keen on getting involved, but I understand at that stage the female bred naturally against all odds.
But no pregnancy as far as I know.

But with a life birth in Hungary the scene must be set for some success...

Well anyway I am keeping my positive position for now...

Best Regards

01-03-2007

The female rhino that gave birth to the worlds first AI baby has since had another AI so they now await to see if they get their second baby, the semen was from a male at the Colchester zoo in the UK. The present baby is doing very well.

21-04-2007

Port lyme has the same size group of rhinos as Dvur Kralorve zoo. At last count Dvur had the bigger group.