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#31
23-11-2008
they may be...its just that the studbook I use doesnt make a distinction between the Rothschilds and Reticulated subspecies because that's how they are managed in the US.
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#32
23-11-2008
so would Zuri (now Harold) imported to NZ from Chicago in 1994 also be from that same stock, and therefore related to Jaffa and Celeste?
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#33
23-11-2008
essentially, giraffes in australia and new zealand are a genetic basket case. the rothschild giraffes are probably worse off than the hybrids, with no new genes entering the program recently, and rothschild giraffes are worse off than bongo and a host of other species we often look at as being inbred to the maximum.
breeding hybrids is probably the best chance for this species in Australia |
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#34
23-11-2008
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Zuri is descended, with some inbreeding, from 7 founders imported by Hemmingford, QB via Longleat (Uganda import) and San Diego (Kenya import). Zuri is unrelated to Jaffa and Celeste. |
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23-11-2008
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#36
24-11-2008
Its odd, I have found some pure rothschild mentioned in the studbook, but all "rothschilds" in the US that I know of also have a ret/roth status under their entry...so as far as the data I have I dont know the subspeciation, but I do have the parentage, or at least what has been recorded as such.
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#37
24-11-2008
I'd be really interested in knowing e parentage of the animals that created the Australian/nz herd. Would you be able to send me the details?
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#38
24-11-2008
send me a pm with your email address
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#39
24-11-2008
in one of my books it says that the Woburn animals were imported from Uganda which would imply they were all Rothschild's. I'll start a thread on the UK forum and see if any of the knowledgeable people on there know for sure. (I sort of suspect that in the US studbook they just put "ret/roth" for any giraffes they aren't 100% sure of the parentage of). However if they were in fact hybrids then that would mean that the only pure Rothschild's to have come into Australasia would be Zuri / Harold (if he is pure-bred) and probably the one imported to Melbourne.
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#40
24-11-2008
@Jay, I know some of Auckland's haerd came from Chester Zoo in the 60's and 70's...
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#41
24-11-2008
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#42
25-11-2008
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Judging by the above: the Longleat individuals are pure rothschildi (no doubt) and the Kenyans ex San Diego could be anything reticulata, rothschildi, tippelskirchii or even rothschildi hybrids ... It be interesting to know about the US situation regarding giraffes (perhaps a new thread in the offing  )!Jelle |
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#43
25-11-2008
Within Australasia there are two taxonomic giraffe groups Rothschild’s Giraffe and subspecies hybrid giraffes, both management units are combined and managed in a single Giraffe Studbook.
The first giraffe to arrive in the Australasian region was a wild-caught male, imported to Taronga Zoo in 1926. Taronga imported several more animals from various parts of Africa in the late 1920s and early 1930s and Adelaide and Perth zoos also imported wild-caught Giraffes at this time. Many of these animals were of a known subspecies. apparently 18.17 animals have been imported into australasia, since the first import in the 1920s. and although the current group carries 88% of their genes the current population does show a high inbreeding correlation and high mortality. hence the importance of mixing things up with this import Last edited by glyn; 25-11-2008 at 08:05 PM. |
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26-11-2008
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26-11-2008
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