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  1. FunkyGibbon

    FunkyGibbon Well-Known Member

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    These were the ones outside of the aviary right?

    There are two enclosures with pools next to the aviary. One has flamingos and the other a selection of waterfowl, can't remember what off the top of my head. They are much better than the avairy itself, and although a bit concretey (is that a word?), wouldn't be out of place in a European zoo.
     
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    I just discovered something which may interest you. The Laohutan Ocean Park in Dalian keeps and breeds Emperor Penguins! Dalian isn't too far north of Jiangsu, on the peninsula just by North Korea, but not sure how easy it is to get to or if Emperor Penguins interest you enough to make a trip that way.
     
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    That seems a bit far to go just for penguins, but I will be going to Harbin eventually so I'll try and throw it in then. Not likely to be within the next year though. What else does the Park have?

    My field guides for Vietnam arrived today! Very exciting, although looking at them I can see just how steep my learning curve will be. No doubt my notes will be filled with angry scrawls saying things like 'small brown bird, v. fast'. It will be fun though, and hopefully I will get some pictures of some of the things I don't ID. My current plan is to go to Cuc Puong, Pu Mat and Cat Tien. Anything north of Hanoi I have decided against because it just isn't convenient. Not really sure if I will do Hanoi and Saigon Zoos, the galleries here aren't that inspiring; as I make my way to Singapore Dusit Zoo and Zoo Negara will also be possibilities.
     
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    While you're 'oop north' in Vietnam, I would strongly recommend Van Long - it's an amazing place.

    Hanoi Zoo is pretty dreadful, and there's little there that you won't see elsewhere - but Saigon is much better and well worth a look (though the city of Saigon/HCMC itself seemed to me much interesting than Hanoi!). Saigon Zoo is a botanical garden as well and there is plenty of wildlife (birds, butterflies, lizards, squirrels...) within the grounds.
     
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    Thanks for the advice! Duly noted. It looks like Van Long is very near Cuc Phuong so maybe I can base myself in Ninh Binh for a few days and do both. And that's great to hear about Saigon Zoo, I'm much happier visiting and hopefully seeing some rare local species with your reccomendation.

    Are there any other places you consider must visit? I've currently left Ha Long Bay off my agenda because I'm trying to avoid as many tourist traps as I can and because it's north of Hanoi and therefore in the wrong direction for me. Hopefully I will make another trip in the future to the northern provinces.
     
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    I depart tomorrow :)
    I have a 15 hour stopover in Hong Kong, then it's on to Hanoi. A few days of culture and history in the capital before I head to my first zoological destination.
    Well, almost my first....
     
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    Just a little update. I will write a fuller account of the last week in the future.
    During my connection I whizzed around Hong Kong and made an early morning visit to the Zoo (not Ocean Park). Mixed but in general a good little place. Three days recovering from culture shock in Hanoi, great city once you get used to it. Then I headed to Ninh Binh on the way to my current location.
    Tonight I will spend my third and last night at Cuc Phuong, then it's on to Van Long for the day. Cuc Phuong is great but it turns out birding and other nature watching is more difficult than I realised when the animals aren't in enclosures :rolleyes: Because of this I have decided to substitute Phong Nha for Pu Mat. It will save me a lot of time and I just don't think I have the skills to make the most of the more interesting destination. I'll certainly be doing more trips to Northern Vietnam in the future, especially now that I've seen Cat Ba Langurs in captivity....
    I've had a real blast so far, and I'm only one week into the six. More to follow.
     
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    Hong Kong Zoological and Botanical Gardens?
     
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    I'd like to second that. With your permission, I'd like to copy it if I were ever to open up a Chinese hipster restaurant.
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    wait, what? A restaurant for Chinese hipsters? Or a Chinese restaurant for hipsters?

    Is there such a thing as a Chinese hipster? Would a hipster eat at a Chinese restaurant?

    I would open a Chinese hamster restaurant. Mmm.
     
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    ergh, I was hoping for some first-hand info on Pu Mat... oh well.
     
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    A restaurant for Chinese hamsters? Or a Chinese restaurant serving hamsters? Both sound neither delicious nor economically sound.
     
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    neither - a restaurant serving Chinese hamsters. It would cater to the Highly-Specialist Gourmand scene.
     
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    Must be a very limited group of customers. And rather skinny, too. Maybe you should add Chinese hipsters to the menu. Or hipsters eating at Chinese restaurants.
     
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    The very same.


    Sorry Chli, I would have liked to help but I expect you will be OK. I have some tips for Cuc Phuong that'll make an appearance later. Last night I paid a visit to the Pangolin and Carnivore centre and saw three species not on show in Western Europe :p
    Today I saw zero Delacour's Langurs at Van Long. Maybe it was the wrong time of day, maybe I was just unlucky, but I think probably my 'don't plan, be spontaneous' approach finally caught up with me. There is probably a whole other section of the reserve that I didn't even see. I'm not too worried, it's a stunning place anyway and I saw lots of birds, including my first ever kingfisher!
     
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    Time for another brief update. I saw nothing of interest in Phong Nha, other than the stunning caves the area is famous for. I also had a cracking time at a certain establishment known as EasyTiger Hostel, giving me a bit of a bone to pick with Chli!
    Then I spent a week doing touristy things in Hoi An and Dalat; got myself some fine new threads :)
    (Hoi An is the tailor city where bespoke clothing is ridiculously cheap)
    After that I had a very productive stay in Cat Tien, with lots of impressive (for me at least) things to report. I'll say it here and repeat it later: Crocodile Lake is the most idyllic place I have even been in my life.
    Saigon is a horrible, decadent city at first, but it does grow on you. The zoo is a mix of the good, the bad and the ugly. Worth a visit if you have the time certainly.
    Now I'm in the port city of Rach Gia, where I have been delayed a day by the ferry tickets being sold out. Once again I pay the price of spontaneity. (It is a price well worth paying though, because of the reward of the unexpected)
    Tomorrow morning I will arrive in the island paradise of Phu Quoc. I wonder what I could be doing there...
     
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    you'll have to wait until I'm dead to pick over my bones. I generally try to avoid other backpackers when I'm travelling, so hostels like Easy Tiger are the last place you'd ever see me :p

    You may have time for this today if you're interested, or maybe when you come back from Phu Quoc, but there are habituated Indochinese Silvered Langurs near Rach Gia. You may see them on Phu Quoc as well because that is apparently a stronghold for them in Vietnam.

    Anyway, about 30km north of Rach Gia - about halfway to Ha Tien - is a little peninsula with a place called Chua Hang, and there are about 100-odd langurs living on the hill there which are fully used to people coming to visit the temple. You should be able to get a taxi there no problem.
     
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    I'm going to start writing up more bits of my trip. I've had a little bit of a block since getting back, but hopefully I can push through it.

    When researching flights from Shanghai to Hanoi, I found to my delight that the cheapest flight had a stopover in Hong Kong. Furthermore, Hong Kong Airlines allow you to tailor the exact flights so I was able to stretch my time there to 15 hours. As a UK passport holder I had no problems with visas; I can't remember the exact situation for others.

    This post will consist of two parts: a review of Hong Kong Zoo, and a brief account of the rest of my day, including general musings on the city.

    I landed at HK airport at midnight and grabbed 5 hours sleep under a bench. Then I got the train into the city centre, arriving at 6.40. A brisk 10 minute walk uphill and out of the financial district took me to the gates of the Hong Kong Zoological and Botanical Gardens. Because the zoo is a public park it opens at 6am, allowing me a quick visit before I explored the rest of the city.

    The zoo is split in two by a road, with an access tunnel between the two halves. One half is primarily devoted to primates, and the other to birds. I did the primate half first and in fact I arrived early enough that I had to wait 15 minutes for it to get light enough to read signs, take pictures and see the inhabitants!

    By and large the primate enclosures weren't too impressive. Some were undersized for their inhabitants although many were reasonable. They were fairly simple cages with branches and other climbing equipment inside. With the exception of the largest ones, they lacked natural substrate. I've seen worse both in and out of Europe, but I think these would generally be criticized if they were found in a UK zoo.

    It’s probably worth talking a little about the Bornean Orangutan enclosures. At first glance these looked pretty poor. Of a similar design to the other primate enclosures, but scaled up somewhat. Notably they had reinforced roofs that look very reminiscent of London’s Sobells. They were a little dingy and undersized, but at least had some natural substrate. Indoor quarters were off-show, but looked to be very limited in size. Despite this after a little consideration I decided I had seen far worse. The enclosures obviously benefit from the tropical climate, which removes some of the need for indoor facilities. The roof provided a lot of brachiating possibilities, as well as allowing the apes full use of the space. Overall, although it was a bit of an eyesore, I think it provided a better environment for the orangutans than many of the ‘islands/posts/ropes’ exhibits that are so common in the West.

    There were several repeat enclosures, and quite a lot of young animals; this seems to be a zoo that is breeding regularly. In particular there were two large groups of Buff-cheeked Gibbons, and signs explaining the conservation work the zoo does with the species.
    Another pleasing sign next to a pond detailed the many frogs that can be found in Hong Kong, both native and invasive.

    The only species that I saw on this side that was noteworthy were the Red-handed Tamarins. I don't think I have seen them before and they were completely charming.

    On this side were also some raccoons, a sloth mixed with some saki monkeys, and a couple of unremarkable tortoise enclosures.

    Walking through the underpass to the other half was like entering a new zoo. The aviaries here were large and lushly planted. Although the netting was obvious there was so much foliage that they felt quite naturalistic; a stark contrast to the concrete and logs of the primate section. At the top of this area there was a very large cage for Ring-tailed Lemurs that used to hold Jaguar.

    A slightly more traditional row of square aviaries contained a lovely variety of species. I don’t really know my birds, but I have the distinct suspicion that if I did keep lists I would have picked up many lifeticks here. A species list will follow in due course if anyone cares :)

    Further down the hill were more aviaries for American flamingo, Scarlet Ibis, and all three species of Crowned Pigeon amongst others. It was interesting to see the crowned pigeons in the same aviary; I certainly spent more time observing them to identify all three than I would have normally, although I imagine keeping all three together means they aren’t breeding them.

    There was a medium-sized multi-level green house that sadly only opened as I was leaving the zoo. I stuck my head in and am pretty sure it only contained botanical exhibits.

    Below these exhibits is a beautiful garden containing a large fountain. With a view into the financial district and its towering skyscrapers, on a sunny morning it was quite spectacular. The only thing missing is a view into the harbour itself.

    I left the zoo with my friend, an HK native. We walked to the cable railway station and took a trip to the top of the island. From the summit station to the actual summit is a brisk but beautiful half hour stroll. It was January 5th the day of my visit, but the temperature was at least 25 Celsius. Coming from the subzero wasteland that was Jiangsu at the time, this was a complete paradise for me. Actually you can’t reach the very summit because of a radio/radar station, but you can get pretty close and the view is fantastic.

    After this we walked through the city to the habour front and got a hilariously cheap ferry across the bay to the northern part of the city. Once again the views were incredible. Once back on land we strolled through a shopping district until it was time for me to head back to the airport. The highlight of this part of the day was a man with a face like a hatchet and an old-looking pump-action shotgun sat outside a South African diamond store. Very Wild West!

    If you only have a very short period of time in Hong Kong I thoroughly recommend this itinerary. Although I didn’t see any museums or similar in just a few hours I really felt like I got a feel for the city. I liked it a lot. It is a unique intersection between East and West in a way that even Singapore cannot imitate. I desperately hope that it can maintain its own identity as it moves forward into the future, which of course is hugely dependent on its relationship with the Chinese mainland. At the moment it has a wonderful vitality and ‘new-town’, frontier feel. It also reminded me surprisingly of Melbourne and the little of Brisbane that I have seen.

    My only regret is not having been a few years earlier to see a BA jumbo landing in the old harbour airport. An iconic sight that I’m sure many miss.
     
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    Thanks for your review of the Hong Kong Zoo and tour of Hong Kong. It sounds like an interesting city with a curiously small zoo.