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Old 25-08-2008

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It is not correct that AZA zoos must use protected contact. There are still many US zoos that use free contact, for example Pittsburgh. One elephant in Pittsburgh, Moja, killed a keeper in 2002 and yet they are handling her in direct contact. Pictures of that have been in the press.
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Old 27-08-2008

In Holland all zoos are using protected contact (pc), except for the females and offspring in Rotterdam. But Rotterdam is changing to pc.

PC is the savest contact system; the elephant and his caregiver are not standing in the same room, there is always a barrier between them. This means that the elephant have the choise to go the the caregiver if he wanted to, or not.

Training sessions can be cancelled by the elephant. The caregiver has no means to force the animal. Of course they uses a lot of little snacks to get the attention of the animal, but sometimes - like humans - the elephant has an off day, and he refuses to come whatever the caregiver tries.

For more safety, the caregiver uses long sticks to train the elephants, and to make sure he's out of the reach of it's trunk. Of course the sticks are not used to hurt the animals but to hit them gently, just to attend the animal.

The basic principles are simple: hit the elephant on a leg means: lay your leg on the fence. The trainer hit the elephant with one stick on the head: the elephant has his attention. Then hit with the other stick on the leg. If he acts right, the caregiver makes a sound (often by a clicking device), and the elephant recieved a little treat (like an apple).

There are also some short vocal commands like "turn", "ear", "final", but the caregiver never shouts to the animal.

And always behind a fence! The caregiver should interfere to the minimum. Only short training sessions, and only for medical use or daily care.

It's so easy to learn an elephant because they are very smart. And I can not understand why zoos are going on with hands-on contact, while pc is proven to be the best. Ask Alan Roocroft!

Here are some samples of a training with African elephant Tooth of Ouwehands' Zoo. Notice the fence, the bucket with fruit. Also notice that this elephant is separated from the rest. He is standing in a small pen or paddock. But if he chooses not to come to a training, he simply will not enter the paddock!

I was very pleased to withness such a training! (The photos are taken by me and the caregiver gave his permit to show it on the internet.)






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Old 27-08-2008

Great description of the protected contact method, UntBwe!

I think you may have given "conclusive evidence" on this matter!

So... what gave you the opportunity to watch this training session? Great photos, by the way!
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Old 27-08-2008

Thanks to my website, I'm a little "known" in some zoos.
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Nice! The link to your website, please?
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Old 27-08-2008

Olifantenhuis is great Untbwe, I love the new layout with Emmen, I think the only main places that use free contact on bulls is in Kerala with Pooram elephants, or in Thailand with elephants in Kraal,
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Nice! The link to your website, please?
www.olifantenhuis.com
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I think the only main places that use free contact on bulls is in Kerala with Pooram elephants, or in Thailand with elephants in Kraal,
One Italian zoo (Fasano) seems to have direct contact with the bull Java (African, aged 31)
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Old 28-08-2008

Great website, Untbwe! One would wish that there was a site like yours for every country!

Keep up the good work!
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Old 28-08-2008

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One Italian zoo (Fasano) seems to have direct contact with the bull Java (African, aged 31)
hmmm, he must have a really nice nature, has he ever been violent?
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Old 28-08-2008

All captive elephants in Asian countries are handled in free contact, incl. the bulls, that must be hundreds or even thousands. Most asian zoos also keep their bull elephants in direct contact. Same for some circusses, in Asia but also in the US and in Europe.
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Old 28-08-2008

Yes you are quite right but, there are occasions that mahouts have special techniques working with some elephants, kind of hard to explain but yeah basically all elephants in asia,
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Old 28-08-2008

Fore more information about elephant care, and how to manage them, look here:
Elephant care manual for mahouts and camp managers
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Old 09-09-2008

More conclusive evidence from UntBwe in the disgusting video he links to in the this thread:

http://www.zoobeat.com/9/european-elephants-2-a-24277/

Here is the video:

- Berlin - Bild.de

I recommend everyone to protest against this via Tierpark Berlins web page:

Tierpark Berlin / Metanavigation / Contact
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Old 09-09-2008

How do you know exactly what went on there? The elephant seemed to attack the keeper, what would of happened if he didn't do anything??

I don't agree with hitting the animals to make them do what you want but defending yourself is different!

Am in favour for protected contact but understand the benefits of free contact aswell.
 


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