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  #16
Old 01-03-2008

@Jurek7 As soon as I manage to rise the funds, I'll be contacting you. You will save your plans for me right ?

Have you heard of the Bronx Zoos Lion House renovation? They have a lemur spiny forest exhibit, and crocodiles displayed in the watery depths of tsingy's. Here's a link: Images for Bronx Zoo. It looks like a very interesting exhibit. I have always wondered why other Zoos haven't tried this out.
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Old 02-03-2008

Yes, I have quite detailed plans in my mind!

Bronx zoo is interesting, but it is just a "room" with two species. I feel putting tortoises not separated from lemurs will stress them (tortoises don't show stress but do get stressed).

Basing on desert exhibit in Arnhem. Holland, such Madagascar hall "will fly" and even better. People will have nice all-year warm paradise, cafe, cute walk-thru primates, strange pants and rocks to examine, and lots of other animals.
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Old 18-03-2008

As many zoos build polar bear exhibits, I decided I can invent one, too:

HUDSON BAY TUNDRA

This complex recreates Arctic, in particular the western shore of Hudson Bay in Canada.

As visitors enter, the path curves between steep grassy, boulder-littered hills. Artifical mist gusts the path. Then the view opens - and they are on the shore of Arctic bay. The landscape was carefully recreated, with grassy hills surrounding the shore, bare granite rocks, walls of iceberg blocking the bay outlet and ice-floes floating on the water. In the distance is waterfall and a lone wooden cabin. Patches of snow cover the distant hills.

People walk down the sandy beach, where common seals play in the water. They are separated only by a tiny irregularity of the beach hiding the electic wire. Whale bones lie on the beach. On the opposite side of the path, there are grassy slopes on which white Arctic foxes play. As people walk along the shore, past the rocky promontory, they come to walruses in shallow water. They can walk on the promontory - and you enjoy more views of seals and walruses from above, swimming over the pale sea bottom. They can walk down into the cave, and view pinnipeds from the side on rocks and underwater.

Then visitors step into the underwater tunnel and walk along the sea bottom. Seals swim overhead. Then people notice another, white animal swimming - this is polar bear swimming overhead. Visitors can enjoy polar bears swimming overhead until they go out of the tunnel. It ends under the ice floe, and people see the bear walking on the transparent ceiling looking like thin ice sheet - as the seal would see the bear.

Then people are in the educational gallery to learn about polar bears and Arctic. Glass windows allow different views of bears from the side in different backgrounds. - walking past, underwater, above water, fishing in stream, sliding on artifical ice slopes, jumping into water from high rocks. This gallery is actually under polar bear paddock.

Visitors can also go up. They find themselves in the wooden cabin surrounded by polar bears. They can experience the size and power of polar bears who lean on cabin windows, making walls creak and putting head high above people's heads. Actually, there are regular food treats hidden in panels above windows.

Then people return to the gallery and walk out under the waterfall and walk along the tundra. They enjoy polar bears in their grassy tundra and artcic wolves on the opposite side. There are regular feeding and training sessions of polar bears and wolves in a small amphitheatre.

Then stunted trees appear and people enter stunted forest in the tundra border, with gnarled birches and candle-shaped spruces adapted to catch low arctic sun. These are special botanical variety growing in columnar shape. People walk past aviary of great grey owls. You can normally enter the aviary, unless owls have chicks, when it is closed. Then they see wolverine - another playful predator, playing with tree stumps or in shallow pool.

DETAILS OF EXHIBIT

1 Innovative elements of exhibit:
- landscape and rock formations recreate actual spot on Earth surface,
- wafting mist,
- pool with naturalistic sandy bottom,
- artifical ice-floes,
- artifical ice allowing to slide down,
- rocky, stony and sandy beaches,
- rocks giving shade and hiding places,
- waterfall and stream,
- snow-cave with overhanging simulated ice,
- rolling grassy tundra with rocks, stunted spruce trees and patches of artificial snow on hills to slide down.
- spruces are of column-shaped variety which grows into shape adopted by arctic conifers to catch low arctic sun.
2. Varied views for visitors:
- from below: underwater in the tunnel,
- from below: under the simulated ice-floe on which the bear walks,
- surrounded by landscape: from the vessel deck,
- surrounded by landscape: from wooden cabin,
- almost-touching-bears: wooden cabin has cracks,
- from the side, close: behind the glass underwater and above water,
- without borders – from the rocky crag above pool and under waterfall,
- without borders – from grassy tundra through hidden moat.
3. Animals enrichment:
- live fish & dead food items thrown into the pool,
- food is hidden in sandy and pebbly beach, forcing bears to dig for it,
- periodically activated tube feeder abouve visitors’ viewing area,
- toys on strong springs allow bears to replicate tugging with prey: pushing down bar hidden in artifical snow (simulates bear breaking through the roof of a seal den)
- pulling the rope on springs (simulates pulling the struggling walrus),
- heavy walrus-toy which needs to be pushed away (simulates pulling the struggling walrus)
- pool,
- large size,
- cold places under rocks and inside snow-cave,
- different surfaces, including lots of grass, rocks, stimulated snow, pebbles, sand,
- artifical ice on slopes allows bears to play by sliding down,
- various “rubbish on the beach” are playthings – e.g. tree stumps, plastic containers,
- three different exhibits divided by hidden moats, bears are rotated between them.
4. Education themes:
- polar bears,
- climate change,
- arctic animals,
- radio-telemetry of bears,
- pollution of oceans
- Feeding and playing sessions are regular.

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If some zoo professional wants to borrow ideas for real exhibit, please contact me. I have some details in my imagination, and can exchange them for free. Or maybe for cuddling a baby bear.
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Old 18-03-2008

@Jurek7: your ideal polar bear exhibit is excellent, but how much would it cost? I'm guessing close to $100 million, if one considers that $25-40 million appears to be the standard for arctic enclosures. Overall you do have some great ideas.
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Old 18-03-2008

Jurek:

The Bronx Zoo's Madagascar Spiny Forest will include Brown Lemurs, Foddies, Vasa Parrot and Ring-tailed Mongoose in addition to Ring-tailed Lemurs and Radiated Tortoises. Other species in the building include Tomato Frog, Phelsumas, Day Gecko, Coquerel's Sifakas, Fossa, Red Ruffed Lemur and Dumeril's Ground Boa.
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Old 18-03-2008

Yes, you do have some great ideas Jurek7 !

Besides the huge costs associated with constructing such an exhibit, its maintenance would also be prohibitive monetary wise. The exhibit you envisioned would also consume a lot of space.

In Canada where it can be extremely cold in the winter, and the climate is better suited to polar bears, you would need indoor heated facilities to keep the public comfortable. This would add even more costs to the exhibit and distract from your great design.

Some Zoos could probably afford such an exhibit, if it was constructed in stages.
The problem is how many Zoos will it take in a continental area like North America or Europe with similiar exhibits to have a self-sustaining population? I'm guessing that a maximum of six bears could be exhibited in your rotating three space design. You might need ten Zoos in North America to have a decent population of polar bears, although this would still be lower than todays population. If there is even one exhibit built like the one you described in North America or continental Europe it would put considerable pressure on other Zoos to follow suit or risk being labeled as a facility that does not feel it absolutely necessary to meet the highest regional standards.
Multiple Zoos could still theoretically build a huge arctic exhibit, but at what cost to other displays? I think your Madagascar exhibit would be considerably cheaper, take up less space, have more year round appeal, and house more animals. Both exhibits would present different conservation and education messages, but I don't think the Arctic exhibit would convey their messages that much more effectively.

What would happen if a facility like the Calgary Zoo built an exhibit meeting all your specifications and the polar bears still exhibited stereotypical behavior? Even if their behavior is the result of being born in a different and inferior zoological exhibit, what would the Calgary Zoo tell the public - the same pubic that has coughed up millions of dollars to provide for the welfare of animals? The public HATES to see stereotypical behavior in animals and catches it very easily.

Jurek7, what did you have in mind by artificial ice? I find the idea of slippery surfaces for bears to slide down intriguing. What material would you use that would still permit cleaning?
Even if a Zoo does not utilize all the facets of your design, maybe they could pick up certain ideas and incorporate them into their own designs. Instead of waiting you should e-mail your messages directly to a Zoo you like and feel would be receptive to the idea ( see my recent post about Arctic Shores).
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Old 18-03-2008

Do that many people in arnhem wear strange pants.
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Old 19-03-2008

@reduakari: Thanks!

What I liked most is imagining recreation of some real place, with naturalistic rocks and trees, not generic zoo-concrete-heaps.

Most crowded aresa, I imagine, will be amphitheatre with feeding and training demonstrations. These I imagine much like gorilla shows in Apenheul (see other thread).

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Besides the huge costs associated with constructing such an exhibit, its maintenance would also be prohibitive monetary wise. The exhibit you envisioned would also consume a lot of space.
Well, this thread is supposed to be mostly fun . Others want sumatran rhino, is it less realistic?

I estimate area of 3-5 ha including wolverine and wolf paddocks. The cost depends very much of workmanship. I estimate half more than “Arctic ring of life” exhibit in Detroit, estimated at 15,9M USD in 2003. Most expensive parts are water filters, underwater tunnel, underground viewing pavillon and decoration. Much else is basically, grass lawn.

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The problem is how many Zoos will it take in a continental area like North America or Europe with similiar exhibits to have a self-sustaining population?
Expensive parts are for visitors.

You can build great polar bear exhibit at low cost if you have space. Put fence around big meadow with pool and some trees for shade. Example of low-tech polar bear exhibit is Scandinavian wildlife park:
Skandinavisk Dyrepark

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Jurek7, what did you have in mind by artificial ice? I find the idea of slippery surfaces for bears to slide down intriguing. What material would you use that would still permit cleaning?
I assume, white concrete will be ice. You should keep such places some distance from people. I never seen artifical hard material well replicating ice, but white linen reflects light surprisingly like snow at distance.

For sliding, I imagine white material used for bathrooms, at slope of height of 2,5-4m, width 3-4m and sloping at 30-40 degrees.

Otters in particular enjoy sliding. I guess bears might do the same.

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Even if a Zoo does not utilize all the facets of your design, maybe they could pick up certain ideas and incorporate them into their own designs. Instead of waiting you should e-mail your messages directly to a Zoo you like and feel would be receptive to the idea ( see my recent post about Arctic Shores).
I don't have time for new part-time career. But much thanks for care.
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Old 21-03-2008

If I ran the zoo . . . Here's my list, with a focus of some of my favorite species, and highly endangered ones, who would all be displayed in biologically appropriate biomes:

Canids

Coyote
African Wild Dog
Wolf
Arctic Fox
Swift Fox
Grey Fox
Dhole
Dingo
Maned Wolf
Raccoon Dog
Bush Dog
New Guinea Singing Dog

Felines

Lion
South China Tiger
Cheetah
Caracal
Pallas' Cat
Leopard (nice selection, including the Clouded, Amur, Snow and African)
Jaguar
Ocelot
Temminck’s Golden Cat
Florida Panther
Spanish Lynx

Hyenas

Spotted
Striped
Brown
Aardvark
Pangolin
Aardvark

Other carnivores:

Wolverines
Sea Otters
Meerkat
Black-footed Ferret
Fossa
Red Panda
Kinkajou
African Civet
African Genet

Ursuine:

Grizzly Bear
Polar Bear
Black Bear
Panda
Malaysian Sun Bear

Anteater family:

Nine-banded Armadillo
Giant Anteater
Silky Anteater
Hoffman's Sloth

Hooved Stock:

Moose
Okapi
Sable Antelope
Dik Dik
Takin
Mixed species exhibit of wildebeest, Plains Zebra, Impala and Kudu
Mountain Zebra
Mongolian Wild Horse
Wapity/Bison exhibit
Musk Ox
Key Deer
Warthog
Red River Hog
Baringo Giraffe
Guar
Cape Buffalo
Arabian Oryx
Scimitar Horned Oryx
Gemsbok
Woodland Carribou
Somali Wild Ass

Rhinos:

Sumatran
Black Rhino

Hippos:

Pygmy
River

Elephants:

Asian
African

Primates:

Lowland Gorilla
Chimpanzee
Mandrill
Colobus
Mouse Lemur
Gentle Lemur
Ring-tailed Lemur
Bonobo
Sumatran Orang-utan
Slow Loris
Barbary Ape
Spider Monkey
Golden Lion Tamarin
Golden Monkey
Golden-headed langur

Marsupials

Tasmanian Devil
Koala
Red Kangaroo
Quoll
Gilbert's Potoroo
Leadbeater's Possum
Northern Hairy-Nosed Wombat
Bilby
Numbat

Monotremes:

Platypus
Echidna

Bats

Big Brown Bat
Vampire Bat
Grey-headed Fruit Bat

Rodents

Capybara
Beaver
Vancouver Island Marmot
Flying Squirrel
Prevost's Squirrel
Black-tailed Prairie Dog
Mara
Agouti

Reptiles

Komodo
Siamese Crocodile
Indian Gharial
Marine Iguana
Eastern massasauga rattlesnake
Frilled Lizard
Aladabra Tortoise
Galapogos Tortoise

Amphibians

All Poison Dart Frogs
Axotol
Puerto Rican Crested toad
Leopard Frog
Suriname Toad
Panamanian golden frog
Golden Mantella frog
Fowler's Toad
Bullfrog
Mountain Frog

Birds

Secretary Bird
Californian Condor
Tuco Toucan
Greater Indian Hornbill
Blue Fairy Bird
Hammerkop
Hoopoe
Sandhill Crane
Bald Eagle
Ground Hornbill
Ostrich
Eastern loggerhead shrike
Snowy Owl
Grey Owl
Australian Singing Crow
Victoria Crowned Pigeon
Lilac Breasted Roller
Grey Go-Away Bird

Fish

Large multispecies tanks displaying fish native to particular regions (such as the Amazon, etc)

Insects/Crustaceans

Wide selection of butterflies in moths in a free-flight butterfly house
Mexican Fireleg Tarantula
Giant African Milipede
Rhinoceros Beetle
Partula Snails
Stick Insects (can't decide which species)
Frog Beetle

Cephalopods/Anthropods

Giant Pacific Octopus
Chambered Nautilus
Horseshoe Crab

And that's just the incomplete list

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If i had my own zoo it would be a city zoo(not too small but not too big and don't worry patrick there is no elephants.) And it would be split up into geographic zones. The first would be
-Indian/asian grasslands. With a paddock with a moat along the front that has indian rhino, blackbuck, nilgai and common peafowl. The antelopes would have an area that the rhinos can't get to seperated by posts spread evenly apart that the rhinos can't get through. An aviary of ringnecks and a decent sized terrarium with starred tortoise.
-South american grasslands with to open paddock enclosures. one with maned wolf and the other with rhea and mara.
-South east asia would have sun bears and orangutans that rotated between two exhibits. One would have a boardwalk to view at treetop level and the other across a moat. Both exhibits would have big dead trees planted around with alive trees but the alive trees would get hot wired when the orangutans are in that exhibit. White handed gibbon on an island that has no artificial climbing stuff except for ropes that join the real trees. Also sumatran tigers in a melbourne zoo style cage and an aviary with some rainforesty birds that i will think of when the time comes.
-Himalayas with only three cages. The first being snow leopards in a glass fronted aviary style cage. Red pandas in cages with low fances around them, full of willow trees and bamboo and a pond of koi. And lastly a mandarin duck aviary that they would share with some other birds.
-And Australian waterways. This will showcase australias rivers and the animals in and around them. Most of the animals would be viewed from underwater except for the walktrhough kangaroo, emu and rock wallaby cage, koalas and an aviary with princess parrots, galahs, zebra finches, budgies and stubble quails. The animals that you will see underwtaer are murray cod, platypus, longneck turtles, freshwater crocadiles and eels some in mixed tanks.
-other exhibits will be lemurs (madagascar), komodo dragons (indonesian islands), galapagos dragons (galapagos islands) and cassowaries and tree kangaroos(PNG) as a islands in danger type exhibit.
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-Indian/asian grasslands. With a paddock with a moat along the front that has indian rhino, blackbuck, nilgai and common peafowl. The antelopes would have an area that the rhinos can't get to seperated by posts spread evenly apart that the rhinos can't get through.
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Hey PAT, have you seen Asian Plains at Chester Zoo? They use a similar method of keeping the blackbuck (and other hoofstock) seperate from the Indian Rhinos.
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Yeah i got it from a picture in the gallery. It could have been there but i can't exactley remember.
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It may even be my picture
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Then i guess i should thank you for the idea
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Old 23-03-2008

Wow Jurek7 if I had any money I'd help you build that Madagascar exhibit it sounds amazing! I love the mix of wildlife and models of past creatures. I'm guessing like me you wish those giant lemurs and elephant birds were still around.
 


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