Indian rhinos in US zoos

22-06-2008

Thanks for the update, Cheers

22-06-2008

Hi okapikpr,

Surprised!

I was already up-to-date regarding the births in 2007/2008, but the recent male out transfers from SD-WAP indicate a trend, no? What kind of facility is Lakeland, FL; are they part of AZA?

Regarding Peace River/Rum Creek; I am a little perturbed ... Peace River left (or was expelled from) AZA ...
What happens to the animals transferred out there? The way I see it these remain the property of the SSP, am I right?

In particular, the male imported from Delhi Zoo in 2007 is integral to the SSP future development. If Peace River is no longer providing records to the studbook keeper that entails a direct infringement on the property/breeding loan ethic. What can the studbook keeper do here?

Anyhow, I also find it disconcerting that the Delhi Zoo male Brahmaputra is not even mentioned in the new studbook!

Well, I suppose you will either pm or comment here!

Cheers,

Jelle

22-06-2008

The SD WAP imported three males right? in return for the three females sent to Indian zoos

22-06-2008

Would you have any clue about where the Three females went to in India?

22-06-2008

There is some footage on youtube about the import/exports of Indian rhinos from the US and I think it did mention which Indian zoo/s got them

23-06-2008

Safari Wild in Lakeland, FL is co-owned by Lex Salisbury, Director of Lowry Park Zoo, Tampa, FL, and a local veterinarian. It is part of AZA, but of ZAOA the other and little known accreditating zoo organization in the US. They had a troop of Patas Monkeys escape last month into the Florida swamps and have only recovered two. There has been some worries of Salisbury's use of the park as a holding/breeding facility for the Lowry Park Zoo. Should a zoo director use publicly owned animals to financially benefit him?

The AZA and its SSP have no legal authority over those animals. Peace River left the AZA because of the politics (they also probably got some heat regarding their record keeping practices). The SSP can only reccommend that those animals' owners removed the animals involved.

A studbook keeper can do absolutely nothing. As for the legal issues, I do not know the details of the male rhino imports. Peace River may have legal ownership of that male.

24-06-2008

okapikpr,

Thanks for your comments, it has been enlightening. I seem to remember the story of the escape of patas monkeys from a private facility that was alligned to the Lowry Park Zoo. I thought the facility was designed to overcome the present inability for LP Zoo to acquire land for its envisaged countryside zoo breeding facility. Thus the CEO of the Board stepped in to provide land for them in the interval. Sure, one can argue about the desirability and probable conflict of interests here, but I suppose the benefits outweigh its disadvantages.


Regarding the Delhi bull loan out to Peace River, I am shocked. I was under the impression that these imports would benefit the SSP. It now seems that Peace River is less than forthcoming and gone out of the AZA organisation.

Yet looking at what happened to loaned out eastern black rhino at Peace River. These have all been returned to their original owners following Peace River's failure to provide adequate accomodation and care. Perhaps a similar MOU is in operation on the Delhi GOHR bull and that San Diego WAP remains its legal owner (as it probably is over both San Diego WAP borne individuals out there).

27-06-2008

The Patna male living at The Wilds is "Rustum", on loan from San Diego.
"Bhopu" (from Patna) and "Bhramputra" (from Delhi) are still listed on ISIS as being at the SD WAP.

Although it appears that SD WAP is the owner of all three, it is possible that they were used only as a quarantine station (if Peace River is the official owner). San Diego also has a long history of moving animals outside of AZA institutions.

FYI the females that went to India are "Gari" and "Lali" (to Patna) and "Goyona" (to Delhi).

27-06-2008

I am looking forward to a future Rhino calf

25-07-2008

I haven't found any information what so ever about Safari Wild being an AZA member.

[quote=jelle;58262]okapikpr,


Regarding the Delhi bull loan out to Peace River, I am shocked. I was under the impression that these imports would benefit the SSP. It now seems that Peace River is less than forthcoming and gone out of the AZA organisation.


Also, just because Peace River got fed up with the AZA crap doesn't mean they can't work with those same zoos. You don't have to be apart of the AZA "country club" for conservation.

25-07-2008

Safari Wild is not an AZA at all, but it is accreditated by the ZAOA. Safari Wild is associated with the Lowry Park Zoo, only because Lowry Park's director Lex Salisbury is the co-owner of the safaripark.

And, no you dont have to be part of the AZA to participate in SSP programs, but that is what Peace River wanted to do was leave behind the politics associated with SSP species. Anyway, after their male okapi died, many zoos were quick to get some of their animals out of their on loan.

25-07-2008

What happened to the male okapi? I knew they weren't in the best conditions but never heard the whole story.

03-09-2008

Newest addition to the SDWAP herd.

http://www.imperialvalleynews.com/in...=2547&Itemid=1

03-09-2008

On the list,the male that sired the Bronx calf with Ellah is actually Patrick and Indira's secong and only male calf born in 1995 at Toronto Zoo.

03-09-2008

I like the calf's name short and sweet Kaya,