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Oh yes forgot that. About what age do bonobos have their menopause? I still think some of the males there are wasted, breeding wise.

How do you know all this btw?? you seem to know a heck of alot!!
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Bonobos females have their menopause at an age of 40-45. The oldest breeding female bonobo in a Zoo is "Natalie" in Frankfurt. She was born in 1964 and gave birth to a wonderful little boy in 2007, "Nyota"....
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Still breeding at 43!! has she had alot of young. So Laura and Maringa could both have more young...

Which females are coming from Columbus, Jo-T and her mother? How come they are sending mother with daughter, wild females usually leave their mother and group don't they.
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But captive females have very strong maternal bonds. And of all Columbus' bonobos Lady and Jo-T are the last two I'd separate. When Jo-T was little and they took her for a medical exam Lady would pace back and forth until Jo-T came back.
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Antwerp has brought more than 30 bonobos to the Zoo over aperiod of 20 years.
I think the Antwerp Great Ape House was not very appropriated to the keeping of bonobos.

Frankfurt was forced to send its male "Camillo", father of the worlds first, to Antwerp in 1975. "Camillo" died after a stay of 6 months. Frankfurt had to pay a heavy price initiated by the abnormal ambition of the Antwerp Zoo. The loss of "Camillo" caused ten years of inbreeding in Frankfurt between "Mato", "Margrit", "Salonga" and "Daniela".
1. I knew Antwerp had imported a number of Bonobos, but not that it was such a high number.

2. Antwerp's 1960's Ape House was pretty unsuitable for all the Apes, I think. The pair of Lowland Gorillas 'Gust' & 'kora' never even went outside for very many years....

3. Why was Frankfurt forced to send 'Camillo' to Antwerp, or was it more that they were persuaded to loan him as Antwerp had no male?
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Antwerp was the owner of "Camillo" and wanted him to breed in Antwerp, in spite of the bad experiences with the bonobo keeping at the Ape House....

The Gorillas, Orang-Utans and Chimpanzees at the Ape Houses of Krefeld and Basel never went outside and breath fresh air, too...
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Antwerp was the owner of "Camillo" and wanted him to breed in Antwerp, in spite of the bad experiences with the bonobo keeping at the Ape House....

The Gorillas, Orang-Utans and Chimpanzees at the Ape Houses of Krefeld and Basel never went outside and breath fresh air, too...
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Antwerp was the owner of "Camillo" and wanted him to breed in Antwerp, in spite of the bad experiences with the bonobo keeping at the Ape House....

The Gorillas, Orang-Utans and Chimpanzees at the Ape Houses of Krefeld and Basel never went outside and breath fresh air, too...
1. I didn't know that 'Camillo' was owned by Antwerp. What about Frankfurt's other Bonobos of the same period (Margrit, Camilla and Margrit x Camillo offspring?) Ownership?

2. Basel Gorillas had outdoor enclosures in the old(Bird) House, then no outdoors in the existing houise until after a while they built a little outdoor cage. Not sure about Chimps/Orangs. Soon they will finally build large outdoor areas.
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1. "Eicha", "Margrit", "Camillo" and "Camilla", the first bonobos, who came to Frankfurt Zoo in 1955 and 1959, were used to be property of the RZS of Antwerp.
I think, in the meantime, Margrit is supposed to be property of the Frankfurt Zoo. The offspring is definitely owned by Frankfurt.


The ownership structure of bonobos is very complicated, for example the Milwaukee bonbos:

Name Status

0,1 Maringa Purchase from Wassenaar (Owner: Milwaukee)
1,0 Lomako Purchase from Wassenaar (Owner: Milwaukee)
0,1 Kitty Loan from Antwerp (Owner: Antwerp)
1,0 Lody Purchase from Wassenaar (Owner: Milwaukee)
1,0 Murph Donation from Yerkes (Owner: Milwaukee)
0,1 Laura Loan from San Diego Zoo (Owner: San Diego Zoo)
0,1 Linda Loan from San Diego Zoo (Owner: San Diego Zoo)
1,0 Makanza Loan from San Diego Zoo (Owner: San Diego Zoo)
1,0 Brian Loan from San Diego Zoo (Owner: San Diego Zoo)
0,1 Zanga Mokila Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: San Diego Zoo)
0,1 Zomi II Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee)
1,0 Zuri Loan from Frankfurt (Owner: Frankfurt)
1,0 Viaje Loan from Zoofari (Owner: Zoofari)
0,1 Claudine Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee)
0,1 Deidre Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee)
0,1 Tamia Loan from Columbus (Owner: Columbus)
0,1 Faith Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee)
0,1 Hanna Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Columbus)

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0,1 Ana Neema Donation from Yerkes (Owner: Milwaukee or Columbus)
1,0 Bila Isia Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee or Columbus)
0,1 Gilda Birth at Milwaukee (Owner: Milwaukee or Columbus)
0,1 Kosana Donation from Planckendael (Death: 05.04.2007)


2. The small outdoorn cage at Basel is only for the Chimps....
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2. The small outdoorn cage at Basel is only for the Chimps....
Thankyou for all the information on Bonobo ownership. It certainly is very complicated.

Regarding outdoor ape cage at Basel (apology here for diverting from main thread);

Is there only one small outdoor cage attatched to outdoor wall of Ape House? I know that I saw the Gorilla group using it once, it was many years ago though.
 


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