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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Younesmark, 21 Oct 2012.

  1. Younesmark

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    I was browsing the net and recently came across an ad regarding the sale of the Mary River Safari's. I wish i was able to purchase this establishment and convert it into an institution for conservation , given i was much older and had the funds . I would love to hear the outcome and what the possible buyer is willing to pay and do with the operation once its purchased . i know its a conversational topic in regards to sustaining endangered animals such as the scimitar horned oryx in hunting ranches , but do you think its more ethical and reasonable to transfer most of these beasts to zoos around Australia to increase the genetic diversity and prevent regional extinctions ? Have your say

    Pine Creek, address available on request - Livestock for Sale #7361026 - realestate.com.au
     
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    Not only is it a conversational topic, it can also be controversial ;)
     
  3. Younesmark

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    whoops , thanks for pointing it out . I was meant to say controversial
     
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    It says there are lechwe on the property. Is this a mistake or is it actually true?
     
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    Weren't there also the last two (2.0) Grevys zebras in Australia there as well?
     
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    I would like to know how you would manage a herd of 400 scimitar horned oryx and pay for it. They have already supplied many to zoos around Australia and will still have excess.

    I believe this is already an institution for conservation. The only difference stopping hunting would make is it would then be a broke failed institution for conservation.
     
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    400? Really?
     
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    I believe it was about that. I think I heard 350 last year and they were breeding well.
     
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    Kafue lechwe apparently. Looking through CGSwans mammal thread, it appears there are no lechwe on public display in any Australian zoos??
     
  12. Younesmark

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    Nice, however according to a recent Facebook status update , A zoological institution stated that the captive population of scimitar horned oryx in Zoos across Australia has been drastically reduced to below 50 animals . I believe this was posted by Altina Wildlife Park in response to the birth of two (1.1) scimitar horned oryx calves earlier this year . I believe breeding endangered exotic species through private ranches has proven effective other the years. According to the 60 minutes viewing , approximately 125 species of exotic species are now residing Texas . Since 1975, excessive zoo animals were kept on these private reserves and have since flourished beyond 250,000 animals . Between 6-10,000 scimitar horned oryx have been born and bred in Texas . Other endangered animals including the Dama Gazelle and the addax now reside in the thousands due to the successive strategies established by the ranchers. According to the information sourced from the segment , less than 10 percent of the total population of oryx are allowed to be hunted , most presumably the older, infertile and individuals which have sired many young and genes have become over represented within the population. Such decision has raised questions in regards to the welfare and continuity of these animals existence from many animal rights activist . I was once against the killing of any endangered specie , however once i reviewed the entire concept with a clear mind and a broader understanding , i have now reformed and support it for i believe it is the most effective method utilize in the conservation of the specie . The high demand for such exotic creatures generates tens of thousands of dollars which is beneficial in providing the much needed resources including food, water and medication for the welfare of the remaining animals and in turn , increase the population of the specie . This is evident through the total number of animals on private Texas ranches and the number of total animals are either steady or increasing . True to what was said in the viewing, placing a ban on hunting these animals would no longer generate money for many ranchers solely rely a cash flow through trophy hunting. And if the animals would no longer be able to be hunted, their values drop , and in turn , the numbers of oryx would be decimated in Texas.

    Given the chance i was able to purchase the hunting Ranch , i would most likely exchange these creatures with zoos and concentrate mostly on breeding and increase the diversity and population within Australia on private capital and not public revenues . Even though a large population of males are usually hunted for their genes have become over representative within the population , i would much rather display bachelor herd at zoos and have them used as an educational mascot for informing the public about conserving their natural habitat and possible reintroduction into the wild. Given that some may be severely inbred , born with birth defects, disabled or reaching the end of its life , only then would i allow a hunter to hunt them , under conditions that only rifles, not bows , can be used as humanely as possible.
     
  13. Hix

    Hix Wildlife Enthusiast and Lover of Islands 15+ year member Premium Member

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    When referring to animals and plants the word 'species' is both singular and plural.

    The word 'specie' refers to coins.

    :p

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  14. Younesmark

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    Pardon me Hix . I was unaware
     
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    Hix Wildlife Enthusiast and Lover of Islands 15+ year member Premium Member

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    That's OK - lots of people make the same mistake. Even professionals.

    :p

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    Hahaha i realised . Just a question Hix, what's your perception on all this ? You seem to be a person of great knowledge and im curious as to what you have to say
     
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    There is no doubt that funds generated by hunting can do a lot for conservation efforts - if the money gets there. In situ programs in Africa have have been of great benefit to wildlife by allowing tourists to pay to shoot animals that were going to be culled anyway. The money generated by the hunt and all it's incidentals goes back into the local community, which not only raises the community's standard of living but encourages the community to stop activities that might be detrimental to the environment (eg bushmeat, firewood, cattle/goat grazing) and in some cases they have actively protected their wildlife from poachers.

    This trophy ranch is different. They may be generating funds from hunting, but how much of their profit is going to conservation? Actually, that question should simply be how much in total is going to conservation? If the answer is none or very little, then there is bugger all conservation happening.

    If they do in fact have 400 animals, then that is a good number and you would expect a reasonable amount of genetic diversity in the group and if they continue to breed I can't see why the Australian population would not persist. If the ranch is sold and the animals dispersed, I think an enclosure at Western Plains or Monarto with 400 oryx would look fantastic!

    If it is maintained as a hunting ranch then the herd should be manages as younesmark suggested - taking out the elderly and genetically over-represented. And zoos stocks can be periodically supplemented to improve genetic diversity in the zoo.

    As for returning them to the wild, thats only a remote possibilty, and is dependant upon a large number of factors.

    I must stress that I know absolutely nothing about this ranch except what I have read in this thread, and my opinion has been formulated based on the information supplied in this thread. As such, my opinion is somewhat generalised. If more information comes to light then my opinion may change.

    :p

    Hix