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No, its a whole different set-up. They don't have a settled social group with offspring like Bristol's. What they still need is a male in the 2nd group- I'm wondering just how long they'll go without having one- its now been 18 months.... But I don't think EEP can force them.
Thats what I think me and Zoogiraffe were on about moving a male.
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This new young female at Bristol(Kera) is one of twins born at Barcelona in 2004- the other twin is a male. Both were handraised in the Stuttgart Nursery.

Their mother Kena, was also a twin, and her father was Snowflake, the white Gorilla. Kena is currently at Blackpool Zoo.
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Thats what I think me and Zoogiraffe were on about moving a male.
I still think Dublin's 'Kesho' (10 years) would be a good choice for Twycross- he's a little on the young side really to take on a group but they have said they only want a male that will be safe with 5 year old 'Matadi'- well, Kesho has grown up in the Dublin group with younger brother 'Alf'- exactly Matadi's age, also Kesho was mother-raised and he's not related at all to Twycross group.
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I still think Dublin's 'Kesho' (10 years) would be a good choice for Twycross
True, well they never know unless they try like chessington did.
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I think there have been some gorillas who have given birth at an older age than Zaire, so assuming everything is in working order on both sides, then it is technically possible.
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I think there have been some gorillas who have given birth at an older age than Zaire,
Zaire is 34. Juju, one of the oldest females at Howletts was over 40 when she had her last baby in 2003. The difference being that Juju had been breeding regularly throughout her adult life.

Bristol's Salome is only one year younger than Zaire and had a similarly long interval of non-breeding as her before being sent to Bristol.
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True, well they never know unless they try like chessington did.
Chessington really wanted a new male- I'm not sure Twycross does...
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Chessington really wanted a new male- I'm not sure Twycross does...
But then chessington seem to be serious about breeding endangered animals, twycross just dable here and there
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Zaire is 34. Juju, one of the oldest females at Howletts was over 40 when she had her last baby in 2003. The difference being that Juju had been breeding regularly throughout her adult life.

Bristol's Salome is only one year younger than Zaire and had a similarly long interval of non-breeding as her before being sent to Bristol.
thats old, fingers crossed then
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I hope that Bristol's group will accept this new young female okay. At Dublin they had problems integrating 'Mayani' a 3 year old female(similarly coming from Stuttgart's nursery) because their silverback 'Harry' initially rejected her. As she was a stranger he regarded her as not his offspring, but nor was she old enough to be sexually interesting to him, so biologically-speaking there was no mileage in having her in his group.. I think it turned out okay eventually as they are all together now I believe.
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thats old, fingers crossed then
Depends whether she still cycles, if Bobby is interested in her and if both are fertile. I don't think Zaire will have any more young in the current situation.
 


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