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Tunga at Chester was 150kg!
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Tunga at Chester was 150kg!
Mac of Houston zoo was a record 174kgs
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140 kg! Well, the average weight for bulls is around 125, so he is a big calf. For example: Ananda of Emmen was 130 at birth.

Hannover however is also performing with the elephants. I hate it. And this little one must be a new circus clown. Look here for a photo (at bottom of the page) Zooelefant.de - Erlebnis-Zoo Hannover or here (scroll a little down) Login :: EleWiki's Forum

I agree with you Unt Bwe there is a line between enrichment, and amusement and cruelty. I don't think it is right with, Sayang under stress of learning so much so called tricks. 帮助大象！, Gajah Keluar!

On the topic of large calves, not trying to spread offense to anyone there are ways of getting them:

The calf being overdue or late so it has more time to grow
Large parents, such as Ananda, Radza being the father,
Young growing parents, since the mother is growing as well the calf can devolp a more massive size.
And diet control,

With about the care for elephants, there are common cases where first time mothers attack the calves (pain can make elephants react very badly), or the mother rejects the calf and is taken care of another cow of the herd. Usually the mother will then start caring for the calf. But there are some cases where an auntie cares for the calf its whole life.
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That's the reason why zoos should let the elephants give birth within the herd. When the mother is not taking care other elephants can. But if you let the mother deliver alone there is no aunt to take care of!

In the large herd of Emmen we see always one or two sisters/aunts helping the mother the first weeks. Ananda for example was hardly to watch because his sister Ma Palai and 'aunt' Ma Yay Yee were protecting him very much. While the mother just was standing in the neighbourhood.

About the weight of calfs: Shwe Zin of Emmen was nearly 85 kilograms, and the caregivers thinks that the mother was carrying her for only 18-19 months. Between the birth of Shwe Zin and her older brother Letsongmon was only 26 months!
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Would any of you guys in Europe know which zoo in Europe has bred the most Asian elephants to date and who has been the most successful sire?
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Naing Thein (Prague Zoo, former Emmen Zoo)
01. 01.03.92 ♀ Mingalar Oo
02. 01.06.92 ♂ Bo Gyi â€Â*
03. 29.05.94 ♂ Kan Yome â€Â*
04. 23.08.94 ♂ Ant Bwe Lay. (to Pt. Scorff)
05. 09.11.97 ♂ Aung Naing. (to Kharkiv)
06. 23.12.97 ♂ Tsje Pyan (to Sevilla)
07. 08.02.98 ♂ Maung Htoo (to Sevilla)
08. 08.03.98 ♀ Ma Palai
09. 02.05.99 ♀ Ma Ya Yee
10. 16.07.01 ♂ Aung Bo (to Sevilla)
11. 03.03.02 ♂ Aung Si (to Sevilla)
12. 27.05.02 ♂ Kan Kaung
13. 05.09.02 ♂ Than Myan
14. 06.06.05 ♂ Letsongmon
All elephants were born in Emmen Zoo

Chieng Mai of Copenhagen:
01. 18.09.70 ♀ Irma (to Rotterdam)
02. 15.12.75 ♀ Schottzi (to Cincinnati)
03. 30.03.80 ♀ Maja â€Â*
04. 10.11.81 ♂ Chang (to Chester)
05. 18.03.83 ♂ Hakon â€Â* (in Givskud)
06. 22.01.86 ♀ Coco â€Â*
07. 22.10.91 ♀ deceased â€Â*
08. 15.03.96 ♂ Santosh â€Â* (in Plock)
09. 17.02.97 ♂ Hannibal â€Â*
10. 02.12.01 ♂ Punjab â€Â*
11. 20.03.06 ♂ Gandhi

Chang of Dompierre (former Chester)
01. 09.09.93 ♀ killed â€Â* in Chester
02. 19.12.95 ♀ Karha â€Â* in Chester
03. 31.12.97 ♀ Sithami born
04. 25.04.98 ♂ stillbirth â€Â* in Chester
05. 06.08.98 ♀ Tara (born in Twycross)
06. 27.08.98 ♀ Karishma (to Whipsnade)
07. 18.07.00 ♂ Po Chin (to Ieper)
08. 07.10.00 ♂ Assam (to Ieper)
09. 05.03.04 ♂ stillbirth â€Â* in Chester
10. 07.03.04 ♀ Sundara born in Chester.
11. 10.10.04 ♂ Tunga born in Chester

Hussein of Hamburg
01. 23.03.92 ♀ Ratna (to Münster)
02. 25.12.95 ♂ Tharun â€Â* (in Pont Scorff)
03. 09.01.96 ♂ stillbirth â€Â*
04. 04.06.96 ♀ Corny (to Münster)
05. 01.07.96 ♀ Salvana (to Leipzig)
06. 17.10.96 ♂ stillbirth â€Â*
07. 27.11.99 ♀ Sandry (born at Circus Knie)
08. 09.11.01 ♂ deceased â€Â*
09. 14.05.03 ♀ Kandy
10. 22.06.03 ♀ stillbirth â€Â*
11. 26.11.04 ♂ Thai
12. 11.04.07 ♀ Shila

Calvin of Hannover
01. 04.05.98 ♂ Samson (to Albuquerque)
02. 30.07.98 ♀ Annie â€Â* (in Perris)
03. 21.08.98 ♂ Amos â€Â* (in Perris)
04. 29.11.98 ♂ Albert (to Albuquerque)
05. 21.10.99 ♂ George (born in Rockton)
06. 29.04.01 ♂ Johnson (born in Rockton)
07. 25.11.01 ♂ Kandula (born in Washington)
08. 02.02.03 ♀ Califa
09. 20.03.03 ♀ Farina
10. 28.10.05 ♂ Tarak
11. 06.05.08 ♂

Mohti of Hannover
01. 07.06.64 ♂ stillbirth â€Â*
02. 24.09.64 ♀ Loti â€Â* (at Circ. Althoff)
03. 19.05.65 ♀ Tima (to Madrid)
04. 18.02.68 ♂ Tibur â€Â*
05. 19.03.68 ♀ Dehli (to Circus Knie)
06. 10.11.68 ♀ killed â€Â*
07. 07.03.70 ♂ Assam â€Â* (in Port Lympne)
08. 06.12.70 ♂ Ramon â€Â* (in Rotterdam)
09. 12.05.71 ♀ Sarah â€Â* (in Ermenonv.)
10. 23.01.73 ♀ Indra
11. 28.06.73 ♀ Rani â€Â* (born in Gelsekirchen)

Alexander of Amersfoort
01. 11.12.94 ♀ Piccolina (born in Rockton)
02. 11.01.99 ♂ Willi â€Â* (in Münster)
03. 28.11.00 ♀ Bangka (born in Rotterdam)
04. 20.01.02 ♂ Senang â€Â* (born in Rotterdam)
05. 13.05.03 ♀ Trong Nhi (born in Rotterdam)
06. 26.07.03 ♀ Anak (born in Rotterdam, to Dublin)
07. 21.02.04 ♂ Sibu (born in Rotterdam)
08. 02.08.05 ♀ Yindee (born in Amsterdam)
09. 07.05.07 ♀ Asha (born in Dublin)
10. 17.02.08 ♂ ?? (born in Dublin)

Maxi of Zurich
01. 27.07.84 ♀ Komali â€Â*
02. 24.05.85 ♀ Lohimi â€Â* (at Circus Knie)
03. 22.05.86 ♀ stillbirth â€Â*
04. 13.02.89 ♀ Panang (to München)
05. 13.06.92 ♂ Mac (to Kobe)
06. 14.11.94 ♂ Upali (to Chester)
07. 08.09.97 ♂ Xian â€Â*
08. 10.06.00 ♂ Aishu â€Â*
09. 13.05.02 ♀ Chandra
10. 03.05.05 ♀ Farha
11. 24.07.05 ♂ Fahim
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Thats interesting Cheers
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Notice that Naing Thein has not only the largest number of descendants but also the most of them still alive.
Bo Gyi was euthanized due to a broken spine after a fall into the dry moat (where he was kicked in by one of the other elephants). Kan Yome died the day he was born.
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who would you say is the most impressive bull in Europe?.

Is there a move in any European zoos to move away from moats for elephants?
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Top 10 of most succesful breeding facilities in Europe ever:

1 Hannover, 20 (16 EM + 4 LA)
2 Emmen, 18 (EM)
3 Chester, 14 (EM)
4, Cabarceno, 13 (LA)
4, Copenhagen, 13 (EM)
4, Hamburg, 13 (EM)
4, Howletts, 13 (LA)
4, Rotterdam, 13 (EM)
9, Berlin Tierpark, 12 (7 EM + 5 LA)
10, Port Lympne, 11 (EM)
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who would you say is the most impressive bull in Europe?.

Is there a move in any European zoos to move away from moats for elephants?

The newest exhibits have moats like this drawing. The elephants are standing left, the public on the right. The animals are able to walk into the ditch but cannot climb against the wall on the right.
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The most impressive bull in Europa is Radza of Emmen Zoo. See my gallery for some pictures.
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Yes he does look very impressive in your photos and of great size, I hope he sires many more calfs
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Yes he does look very impressive in your photos and of great size, I hope he sires many more calfs
He has got not a long time though until he reaches so called Menopause but then again Chieng Mai was active since he was 47. So far apprently he has not tried the cows very often.
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Can anyone here give me a list of Europe's largest bulls?
I know that Radza is 3.25, 7.2 metric tons
Bindu is 3.15, 5.5 metric tons
And every other bull's measurements are a bit hazy. To me.
 
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