I would like to assemble all owl-faced monkey in european zoos and create a thread for discussions about this wonderful guenons. Leipzig (Zoo), Germany (3,4 - three groups) 1,0 Zuri (Group 2) - born at London Zoo in 1999 - Leipzig 28.02.2009 - sire: Bundi, dam: Olivia 1,0 Kibo (Group 3) - born at Leipzig 03.11.2005 - sire: Kwanza (died July 2010), dam: Anita 1,0 Kindu (Group 1) - born at Leipzig 21.06.2009 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita 0,1 Anita (Group 1) - born at Leipzig 27.04.1996 - sire: Herkules, dam: Petra 0,1 Klara (Group 2) - born at Leipzig 1999 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin 0,1 Kora (Group 3) - born at Leipzig 2001 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin 0,1 Kela (Group 1) - born at Leipzig 18.08.2007 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita Mulhouse (Zoo), France (1,2,1) 1,0 Cissero - born at Antwerp 18.04.2001 - Mulhouse 18.05.2006 - sire: Taco, dam: Pandora 0,1 Karmina - born at Leipzig 30.08.2002 - Mulhouse 30.06.2006 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Kerstin 0,1 Dexter - born at Mulhouse 15.02.2007 - sire: Cissero, dam: Karmina 0,0,1 X - born 19.03.2009 at Mulhouse - sire: Cissero, dam: Karmina Edinburgh (Zoo), Scotland, UK (1,2) 0,1 Shaba - born at Edinburgh 27.05.1994 - sire: Barry, dam: Tara 0,1 Manjano - born at Edinburgh 21.05.2007 - sire: Kenge (died July 2010), dam: Shaba 1,0 X - born at Edinburgh 2010 - sire: Kenge, dam: Shaba Antwerp Zoo, Belgium (1,1) 1,0 Kikwit - born at Edinburgh 08.09.1995 - arrived from London Zoo 2007 - sire: Barry, dam: Tara Berlin Zoo, Germany (1,2) Amsterdam Zoo, Netherlands (1,1) Valencia Bioparc, Spain (1,2) 1,0 Kasai - born at Leipzig Zoo 03.10.2003 - arrived at Valencia 2008 - sire: Kwanza, dam: Anita La Palmyre Zoo, France (1,1) 1,0 Denny - born at Leipzig 27.09.1992 - Mulhouse 06.03.1997, La Palmyre 09.01.2007 - sire: Jens, dam: Petra Twycross Zoo, England, UK (1,1) 1,0 Gus (Zeus) - born at Leipzig 1997 - sire: Herkules, dam: Petra 0,1 Thea - born at Leipzig 1996 - arrived at Twycross 2007 from Berlin Zoo - sire: Herkules, dam: Kerstin
Edinburgh male 'Kenge' who died July 2010 came originally from Philadelphia USA but was born in San Fransisco 31.8.91. (So was 19 when he died.) Banham, Norfolk Owlfaced Monkeys were; m. Mario born Leipzig 1990. (? x Petra) f. Moazah born Edinburgh 1991. (Barry x Tara) f. name? born in wild. 1977 f. name? born Banham 1996(?) (Mario x wildborn f.) Whether any of these are still alive in other zoos isn't known to me. Marwell also had 1.3 Owlfaced in 2000-2001. m. Kikwit (born Edinburgh) Sent to ZSL in 2001. sent to Antwerp 2007. f. Mama (from SanFransisco) f. Nicky (daughter of Mama, born San Fransisco) f. Katinka (from Philadelphia- sterile female) Of those at Marwell presumably only male 'Kikwit' survives, now at Antwerp.
La Palmyre Zoo, France (1,1) 1,0 Denny - born at Leipzig 27.09.1992 - Mulhouse 06.03.1997, La Palmyre 09.01.2007 - sire: Jens, dam: Petra 0,1 Topaz - born at Edinburgh 23.05.1989 - Twycross 19.10.1994, La Palmyre 19.11.2006 - sire: Barry, dam: Tara Twycross Zoo, England, UK (1,1) 1,0 Argus - born at Antwerp 20.09.1999 - Twycross 15.11.2003 - sire: Taco, dam: Pandora 0,1 Wilma - born at Antwerp 12.08.1995 - Twycross 08.05.2009 - sire: Taco, dam: Molly - 0,1 Thea arrived from Berlin Zoo 31.01.2007, she died 16.08.2008 - 0,1 Veronica, the female that was sent to Berlin Zoo from Twycross 30.01.2007, was born at Banham 06.08.1996, she died at Berlin Zoo 09.10.2008
Notes; 1. What happened to the male Gus/Zeus? 2. So Twycross have had two different females(Thea/Wilma) since 2007. 3. Veronica would have been the one monkey born in the Banham group. I did not know she was sent from there to Twycross.
Another zoofriend told me that "Zeus" went to Amsterdam in 2004. I am weiting for reply from Amsterdam. "Gus " is just a abbreviation for "Argus". ____________________________________________________________ Berlin (Zoo), Germany (1,2) 1,0 Taco - born at La Palmyre (Zoo) 09.06.1988 - Antwerp 25.03.1992, Berlin 2009 - sire: 177, dam: 172 0,1 Molly - born at Antwerp 29.05.1985 - Berlin 2009 - sire: 169, dam: Fabiola 0,1 Pandora - born at Antwerp 08.09.1988 - Berlin 2009 - sire: 169, dam: Fabiola
Oh, I see. So my guess that Gus/Zeus was one and the same animal was quite wrong! But I see the current Twycross pairing is still half-siblings, which is what I was told(actually that they are brother/sister, not quite correct)
I think "Argus" at Twycross and "Kasai" (* 2003 at Leipzig) at Valencia are the best and only candidates to become the new breeding male at Edinburgh.
Someone at Twycross told me Argus has been tested and found to have low quality sperm. Presumably they checked him over to see if there was a reason for no breeding. However things could change in that direction if he had new partner(s). On the other hand, I think Valencia's set-up really isn't suitable for this species and they shouldn't be entrusted with such a rare(in zoos) species. I can remember when Edinburgh had about six Hamlyn's, including four females nearly all born there. They have in the past had a good breeding record with them, as your data shows.
the situation goes from bad to worse. Bioparc Valencia were supposed to take 4 old non-breeding females from Paris(?) zoo but some of these may already have died ,either at Paris or at Bioparc.
Bioparc received 0,4 old and non breeding females from Paris (the last two hamlyns there) and La Palmyre in 2007, a young male from Leipzig followed in 2008. The oldest female from Paris, already 30 years old in 2007, died immediately. One further female (maybe two females) died in 2009. "Kikwit" never bred, the death of "Kwanza" and "Kenge" were more fatal.... A keeper at Leipzig told me, that "Cora" and "Kito" (one of two potential breeding pairs at the zoo) are like bosom buddies.
According to ISIS, Twycross now hold only 1.0. Hamlyn's. Don't know if the female has died or been transferred or to where. From the Spanish threads, Valencia no longer have them either. No news if Edinburgh have a new adult male. According to ISIS now only 20 animals (8.12) in Europe Zoos.
Visiting Twycross tomorrow will try and find out,if nothing else will confirm the numbers the Twycross have.
Does anyone have any ideas why so few guenon species are faring well in captivity? Is it due to inbreeding, diet, disease, bad social arrangements, a combination of all, or something else?
I believe it is a combination of factors as you suggest, possibly differing with various species. IMO the main one is that many species are so poorly represented that the populations aren't viable, aggravated by lack of anything other than occassional breeding successes to augment the populations. Apart from Dianas, De Brazzas and probably L'Hoest's monkey, I doubt if any other species are viable longterm nowadays in our zoos.
Scratch Twycross from the list of holders of this species,as they are no longer held at the collection,sorry could not find out any more.