Join our zoo community

Giant Panda Future in America

Discussion in 'United States' started by Spike, 26 Oct 2023.

Tags:
  1. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    12 Oct 2023
    Posts:
    118
    Location:
    US
    That makes sense now
     
  2. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

    Joined:
    16 May 2010
    Posts:
    14,842
    Location:
    Wilds of Northumberland
    It may make sense to you, but it's still completely untrue :p plenty of places outside China have the correct conditions to grow the "correct" bamboo species and/or cultivars.... and some zoological collections do indeed produce their own bamboo for their giant pandas.
     
  3. GeeZee

    GeeZee Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    11 Jan 2023
    Posts:
    156
    Location:
    Over the rainbow
    Bamboo can be grown anywhere in the right conditions. The Edinburgh pandas for example have bamboo grown in the Netherlands and I believe also Sweden as well as Scotland of course, there is literally a place in Aberdeen where they grow it.
     
    Kaleb likes this.
  4. Haliaeetus

    Haliaeetus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Mar 2021
    Posts:
    2,301
    Location:
    Orléans, France
    French producers grow bamboo too for the Beauval's Pandas.
    We aren't in the time of the Pandas of Vincennes that were fed with bamboo imported from China by airplane !
    So it is theoretically possible to grow edible bamboo in North America (but not probably under all types of climates, I would exclude most of Canada and the arid zones of the Southwest).
     
    Kaleb and Birdsage like this.
  5. Spike

    Spike Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    12 Oct 2023
    Posts:
    118
    Location:
    US
    Now that I think about it wasn’t Memphis asking for locals to donate bamboo that was growing in their property?
     
    Kaleb and GeeZee like this.
  6. Great Argus

    Great Argus Well-Known Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    30 Mar 2018
    Posts:
    5,442
    Location:
    California
    San Diego grew theirs on site afaik, I think possibly Atlanta did too. Bamboo certainly grows quite well in many areas along the Pacific Coast, I've seen bamboo groves in many areas.
     
    Kaleb likes this.
  7. tigris115

    tigris115 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

    Joined:
    12 Dec 2012
    Posts:
    949
    Location:
    New York, USA
    Yeah I know for the Bronx's red pandas, the bamboo around the Asia entrance is trimmed for their feeding. Bamboo seems to grow well anywhere so I imagine it's just a matter of seeing what bamboo is best for them and what can thrive in the local climate.
     
    Kaleb likes this.
  8. Neil chace

    Neil chace Well-Known Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    27 Aug 2018
    Posts:
    4,557
    Location:
    Earth
    Rhode Island also has a real problem with multiple invasive bamboo species.
     
  9. Zoo adventures

    Zoo adventures Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    26 Aug 2023
    Posts:
    280
    Location:
    Canada
    Smithsonian Zoo's giant pandas are going back to China, they are still on the plane right now. Now zoo Atlanta is the last in the US to have giant panda.
     
    Kaleb likes this.
  10. Zoo adventures

    Zoo adventures Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    26 Aug 2023
    Posts:
    280
    Location:
    Canada
    The three giant pandas arrived safely in China, the male cub will go to mating when he reaches 7 or 8 years old. The two other pandas are too old.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: 17 Nov 2023
    Kaleb and Haliaeetus like this.
  11. AnActualFan

    AnActualFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Jun 2023
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Somewhere on the East Coast, USA
  12. SwampDonkey

    SwampDonkey In the Swamp Premium Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    12 Jan 2017
    Posts:
    2,050
    Location:
    .
    From the article above:
    Xi:
    The AP:
    Maybe Oakland will finally get them! LOL, yeah, probably San Diego. :)
     
  13. Cat-Man

    Cat-Man Well-Known Member 15+ year member

    Joined:
    6 Jul 2008
    Posts:
    3,021
    Location:
    GBR
    Although I admire your optimism, at the same time this is a naïve reading of the situation when you look at Chinese diplomatic history. Xi (who is usually associated with Winnie the Pooh, rather than Pandas) can and will say what he likes to generate positive press coverage. Pandas will not be coming back to the United States anytime soon, and that article is full of assumptions taken at face value. It also states 'probably San Diego' providing no evidence that there is anything in the pipeline.

    Nobody is getting them.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: 17 Nov 2023
    birdsandbats and Wisp O' Mist like this.
  14. AnActualFan

    AnActualFan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Jun 2023
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Somewhere on the East Coast, USA
    Xi also said, according to the article:
     
    Kaleb and StoppableSan like this.
  15. SwampDonkey

    SwampDonkey In the Swamp Premium Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    12 Jan 2017
    Posts:
    2,050
    Location:
    .
    You very well may be correct, but to be fair, the article really does imply they will be back sooner than later, and Xi seems to be implying that.

    That's quite a certain statement when the most current development (this story) is stating otherwise. The real truth is we (on this forum) have no idea what conversations are going on behind the scenes with US zoos and China. No one is going to put out any information until there are concrete agreements in place. For all we know San Diego is in end stage negotiations.

    We just don't know, so certain statements in either direction are misplaced.
     
    Last edited by a moderator: 17 Nov 2023
  16. King of Komodo Dragons

    King of Komodo Dragons Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14 Sep 2022
    Posts:
    693
    Location:
    United States
    Kaleb, iloveyourzoos, TinoPup and 3 others like this.
  17. squid boy

    squid boy Member

    Joined:
    26 Aug 2023
    Posts:
    14
    Location:
    Nyc
  18. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    17 Jul 2016
    Posts:
    6,553
    Location:
    .
  19. Torgos

    Torgos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19 Oct 2021
    Posts:
    131
    Location:
    None
    Thanks for saying this Swamp Donkey (great name by the way).
    There is a ton of guess work and minimal knowledge of what is really happening among most of us inc me.. Panda diplomacy is a real thing but at same time not all pandas in US were owned by same branches of the Chinese government. I believe the National and San Diego pandas came from the Wolong center, Atlanta's pandas came from Cheng Du (sp?) center and Memphis.... I don't remember. These government groups maybe didn't always work well together. Why didn't Atlanta offspring get paired with San Diego/National offspring. Crazy huh. But that could totally happen in other countries inc US if USFWS was not playing nice with a state govt, USDA etc.
    Let's hope for pandas but let's stop guessing when none of us know diddly about the reality!
     
    SwampDonkey likes this.
  20. TinoPup

    TinoPup Well-Known Member 5+ year member

    Joined:
    17 Jul 2016
    Posts:
    6,553
    Location:
    .
    All offspring were required to go back to China. They came from different centers but were all owned by the same government.
     
    Tapir Master, aardvark250 and Cat-Man like this.