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Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by ThylacineAlive, 1 Jan 2016.

  1. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member

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    Another year, another challenge. For the challenge's fourth installment, we're targeting Ungulates! While, as always, our friends in Australasia will be left out a bit I feel ungulates are still a very well represented clade of animals in captivity.

    Now this may be a bit of a difficult and potentially controversial challenge due to all the recent splits, but for all intents and purposes we will generally be following the species list set by Groves and Grubb: A new perspective on Ungulate Taxonomy

    Rules are as follows:
    1. You have to actually see the animal, even if just for a second. You don't score if you visit a collection but don't see the animal (harsh, but fair);
    2. Proof via photographs is not required, your word is your bond;
    3. You have to see the animal via normal public access (i.e. not including zookeeper for the day or photography days behind the scenes) during normal public opening hours (i.e. no scoring because you know the keeper and can get access before/after hours). Basically the species has to be seen as Joe Public would;
    4. Any severely limited opening or private collections don't count for this challenge. Controversial I know, but see previous point and I didn't think it fair to include a handful of days these collections might be open to the public as this might logistically disadvantage a large number of people;
    5. Only public zoological collections count, animals seen at farms or pet stores do not count.
    6. Report/update your progress on this thread as you go along;
    7. Only one subspecies per species can be counted;
    8. Cetaceans do count;
    9. Elephants and other members of the Tethytheria clade do not count;
    10. Domestics do not count, the animals must be in a wild form. You can count a species that's been domesticated just as long as the animal you're looking at isn't (i.e. Guanacos count but Llamas do not);
    11. Hybrid animals do not count. So, while controversial, zoo-mix giraffes, klipspringers, ect. are not admissible;
    12. Wild animals do not count, all species must be seen in captivity under all the conditions listed above;
    13. Any issues anyone takes with any decision or any of the above rules is open to discussion but the rules are set and my decision is final;
    14. Except for the unlikely event that someone gets to see all the species potentially see-able by 12/31/16 the winner will be deemed to be the person(s) who's seen the most at that date.

    As always, thanks to Shorts for creating the majority of the rules and for the challenge idea in the first place (see http://www.zoochat.com/38/2016-zoochat-uk-challenge-433501/) and congratulations to LaughingDove for winning the http://www.zoochat.com/2/2015-zoochat-challenge-396793/.

    Good luck to everyone out there and happy hunting!

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  2. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member

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    can we just count every individual we see as a separate species?
     
  3. LaughingDove

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    Don't worry, I won't see quite as many species this year as I did last year as my main trip of 2016 will be 6-ish weeks in Australia (where of course I will see very few ungulates) with a secondary trip being Kenya which will probably not include any zoos.
    So I'll give the rest of you a chance :p
     
  4. Macaw16

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    Do Deer Parks count? As Joe Public could see the species in captivity, but not in a Zoological Collection.
     
  5. ThylacineAlive

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    What do you mean by a deer park? One of those small collections? Assuming I understand what you mean by deer park then they should count, yes.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  6. bongorob

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    I think he means places like Richmond Park and Tatton Park

    my total so far

    1) Onager Equus hemionuis onager Chester Zoo
    2) Grévy's zebra Equus grevyi Chester Zoo
    3) Malayan tapir Tapirus indicus Chester Zoo
    4) South American tapir Tapirus terrestris Chester Zoo
    5) Eastern black rhinoceros Diceros bicornis michaeli Chester Zoo
    6) Indian rhinoceross Rhinocers unicornis Chester Zoo
    7) Rothschild's giraffe Giraffa camelopardalis rothschildi Chester Zoo
    8) Red river hog Potamochoerus porcus Chester Zoo
    9) northern babirusa Babyrousa celebensis Chester Zoo

    10) Philippines chevrotain Tragulus nigripes Chester Zoo
    11) Western sitatunga Tragelaphus spekei gratus Chester Zoo
    12) Eastern bongo Tragelaphus eyrucerus isaaci Chester Zoo
    13) Lowland anoa Bubalis depressicornis Chester Zoo
    14) Congo buffalo Syncerus caffer nanus Chester Zoo
    15) Scimitar-horned oryx Oryx dammah Chester Zoo
    16) Okapi Okapia johnstoni Chester Zoo
    17) Natal red duiker Cephalophus natalensis natalensis Chester Zoo
    18) Chilean pudu Pudu puda Chester Zoo
     
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  7. Macaw16

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    Some stately homes and abbeys have large enclosures with deer in, do these count?
     
  8. bongorob

    bongorob Well-Known Member

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    I like this post
     
  9. ThylacineAlive

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    I don't see why not.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  10. pipaluk

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    My list so far:

    At Whipsnade 1/1/16
    1. Grevy's Zebra
    2.Onager
    3.Southern White Rhino
    4.Indian Rhino
    5.Red River Hog
    6. Pygmy Hippo
    7. Common Hippo
    8. European Moose
    9.Fallow Deer
    10.Chinese Muntjac
    11. Chinese Water Deer
    12. Reticulated Giraffe
    13.Impala
    14.Blackbuck
    15.European Bison
    16.Gaur
    17.Eastern Bongo
    18.Sitatunga
    19. Greater Kudu
    20.Roan antelope
    21.Scimtar-horned Oryx
    22.Common Waterbuck
    23.Nile Lechwe
    Missed a few & didn't go through the drive through this time, but will be back there soon.

    London 2nd Jan
    24 Malayan Tapir
    25 Bearded Pig
    26 Vicugna
    27 Chapman's Zebra
     
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  11. Pleistohorse

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    So than animals on private ranches should count as well? Not that I'm going to Texas this summer...but just for clarification.

    In case I missed it what about captive Bactrian Camels, Dromedaries, Mouflon, and Water Buffalo...almost all of which are probably best considered domestics?
     
  12. ThylacineAlive

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    Well unless I'm understanding it wrong, deer parks are public exhibitions of these species. A private ranch wouldn't be.

    While it was debated about when this year's topic was being chosen, it was decided that all are inadmissible since they are domestics. Though true wild Mouflon do count.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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    Sounds good! Thank you.
     
  14. Mr. Zootycoon

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    Wait, cetaceans are ungulates? How could I have missed that? :eek:
     
  15. jbnbsn99

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    They're Artiodactyls, though note necessarily ungulates per say.
     
  16. TeaLovingDave

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    Just as a general guide, I have worked out that the maximum total of taxa which it will be possible to get for those of us restricted to the United Kingdom is a rather respectable 97.

    The maximum possible within Europe is 149 taxa :)
     
  17. ThylacineAlive

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    Three from the Central Florida Zoo:
    1) Chacoan Peccary Catagonus wagneri
    2) Common Warthog Phacochoerus africanus
    3) Indian Rhinoceros Rhinoceros unicornis

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  18. pipaluk

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    3rd January at Colchester

    28 Visayan Warty Pig
    29 Visayan Spotted Deer
     
  19. FunkyGibbon

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    It will be interesting to see how I can do in Asia. I doubt very much that I can get anywhere near these numbers. Maybe there can be a bonus prize for the most species no-one else saw? :p
    I suspect my other problem may be zoomix animals and inaccurate/non-specific signage. No doubt I'm going to be faced with a lot of signs that just say 'Girafe' [sic].
     
  20. LaughingDove

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    Species from Warsaw Zoo:

    1) Greenland Musk Ox
    2) Common Fallow Deer
    3) American Bison
    4) European Bison
    5) Western Sitatunga
    6) Scimitar-horned Oryx
    7) Somali Wild Ass
    8) Vicuna
    9) Common Hippo
    10) Eastern Bongo
    11) Rothschild's Giraffe
    12) Chinese Goral
    13) Chinese Bharal
    14) Indian Rhino
    15) Vietnamese Sika Deer
    16) Sichuan Takin
    17) Hartmann's Mountain Zebra
    18) Przewalski's Horse
    - Sadly the Southern Pudu was a no-show, as usual.
     
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