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  1. kiang

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    An article today from Actu'zoo

    A masterplan for Beauval zoo;

    Development plan of the Park

    Here is some information that will interest surely more than one on the upcoming novelties of the Beauval Zoo. They are derived from current public investigative file, directed precisely to obtain authorization of creation of these new features.

    NON TECHNICAL GENERAL FROM THE FOLDER SUMMARY

    S.A.S. (simplified company) ZooParc de Beauval, installed in Saint-Aignan (Loir-et-Cher), submitted a request for prefectural authorisation of opening to the title of classified installations for the protection of the environment (ICPE) in application of Decree No 77-1133 of September 21, 1977, as amended, taken for the application of Act No. 76-663. It follows the authorizations already granted in 2002, 2013 and 2014 (additional permissions for the latter two). The current zooparc and its plans for expansion, and demonstrated impacts positive and this Zoological Park on the economy as well as its good environmental integration are presented in this application authorization.
    Both its attendance (approximately 950 000 people in 2013) than by its animal collection or its staff (approximately 150 CDI and about 215 CDD for the zoo with its hotel pole), the zooparc of Beauval is the largest Zoological Park in France. In 2007, before the creation of the Chinese box and the arrival of giant pandas, the magazine Forbes Traveler thus ranked him among the 15 most beautiful zoos in the world (see plan of the zooparc in annex 6 to the general file).
    Opened in 1980 by Ms. Françoise Delord (Park ornithological park originally), the ZooParc de Beauval now extends approximately 50 hectares (including a 30 for the Park visited stricto sensu) and offers guests (details in chapter IV):

    - a collection of over animal 5 700 animals of 500 different species from around the world (birds, mammals, reptiles, amphibians, fish, invertebrates...) whose certain unique in France (see chapter III), involving several infrastructure and equipment necessary for the care of animals (local feed, technical workshops, Veterinary Clinic, nursery, areas of isolation...);

    - a botanical park of great beauty and diversity (plants and trees are identified to the public);

    - a show of birds ("masters of the air") and a show of sea lions;

    - educational programs for schools (school workshops, educational materials,...);

    - educational programs for the general public (guided tours, educational panels, animations...);

    - catering services (two restaurants: «The Tropical» and «The Kilimanjaro») and 11 fast food services);

    - two shops offering a wide sample of products;

    - a three-star hotel ("the gardens de Beauval"), a complex of apartments (Les Hameaux de Beauval) and soon a new hotel ("Les Pagodes de Beauval');

    - parking about 10 ha near RD 675 and the entrance to the zoo.

    By allowing everyone to discover the fauna and the flora of distant places and often evil (Africa, South, Australia, far East... America), Beauval, known as the other zoos, participates in the preservation of the ecosystems of the entire planet: in addition to this educational role and sustainable development awareness of the general public and in particular children, the ZooParc is also deeply involved in the conservation of endangered species (participation in dozens of breeding programs and) International Research).
    Locally, the zooparc now constitutes the first tourist site in the Centre and tourism has become a major issue for the economy of Saint-Aignan and its region, as evidenced by the development of a pattern of tourist development in 2010 across the Communauté de communes, but also the Plan Local d'Urbanisme (PLU) of Saint-Aignan which provides for the development of the zooparc of Beauval (following the amendment made in July 2013).

    In addition, the ZooParc de Beauval maintains a policy of respect for the site which has preserved its original character despite the development of its attendance. It is in compliance with this concern for landscape and environmental integration than the ZooParc de Beauval is today the object of several projects already implemented or in progress:

    - A unit of methanisation located south-west of the site (chapter V): anaerobic digestion is a natural biological process to produce a biogas, renewable energy source, from the decomposition of organic matter, and through the action of micro-organisms living in anaerobic. Thus, in accordance with the wishes of Grenelle of the environment, the zooparc thus enhances its organic waste (feces of animals, litter, green waste, leftover food...), gas and heat products are used for the heating of greenhouses of the zooparc. The material remaining after methanisation, called 'digestate' is an excellent fertilizer used to fertilize farmland and (limiting the use of chemical fertilizers). With a total annual capacity of 11 900 tonnes, this methanization unit to save the release into the atmosphere of 760 t - eq CO2/year.
    Methanisation unit is the subject of a specific hazard study that shows that this equipment does not therefore risk to the surrounding population (key risks - explosion, fire - would have maximum consequences to 40 m, thus remaining in the enclosure of the site and more than 200 m from the route of visitors).
    Application of digestate made a plan for spreading on agricultural land of 9 municipalities (782 ha).

    - An extension to the Northwest (on 21 ha), scheduled between 2014 and 2018, comprising a vast enclosure with Aviary (for hippos, red river hogs, antelopes, birds and fishes), a facility for hippos Dwarves and monkey, a tropical greenhouse spherical (for large reptiles, sharks and butterflies...), enclosures for lions, cheetahs and dogs, an area for antelope and bongos, an African savanna and Sahelian spaces; but also structures for the comfort of the public opened in spring 2014: the amphitheatre around 2 800 places and aviaries for the spectacle of birds "The masters of Airs", the panoramic restaurant of African style ('Kilimanjaro', 700 seats) or the games of children near the restaurant area.
    This extension presented in chapter VI the subject of an impact study specific in application of the code of the environment (Chapter VII).

    - Various enclosure or Aviary that will be achieved in the short, medium and long term (whose location is not yet completely stopped) and who will welcome including ouanderous (macaques) and babiroussas, the proboscis, the languors, wolves, brown bears, giant otters, dogs of the bushes, and dholes (wild Asian dogs), lorises and Rainbow lorikeets. A large aquatic complex covered with aquarium is also envisaged with sea otters, Patagonian sea lions, seals and various seabirds...
    These extensions must meet the continuous increase in the number of visitors. Furthermore, as for all leisure park, a permanent renewal of the "attractions" is essential to project oneself into the future (do come of new tourists and bring back those who have already visited the zooparc). These projects thus participate in the development of the local economy (job creation, increased needs of the zooparc and its visitors).
    A study of risks overall (Chapter VIII) presents the risks inherent in the operation of all the activity of the zooparc (for personnel, the public or the animals in the zoo) and the measures taken to prevent these risks, ensure the security of all and face any incident or accident.

    Plans to extend from the ZooParc de Beauval

    1 preamble

    Biodiversity conservation begins with our environment: plants, animals, landscapes that surround us and whom we love. "Need to know in order to love. This is why the effectiveness of the conservation of fauna, flora and ecosystems, in remote and often unknown countries depends on this knowledge to which the zoos contribute enormously.
    Zoos allow visitors to discover the different forms of life present on land and distant seas. It is therefore in the zoos that most people have the opportunity to know and to be in contact with the amazing biological diversity of our planet and the need to preserve for future generations. It is probably today the major role of zoos, involving the part of their leaders, a particular attention to the animal collection presented.
    Actually, the modern zoos are more than playful spaces, relaxation and leisure. Their role does not stop there. They now play an essential role in ex situ and in situ conservation. They became the conservatories of biodiversity, but also key actors of the conservation of the species in their natural surroundings and indeed even of ecosystems as a whole. They are also places where each visitor can become aware of the threats that affect the nature and the need to preserve natural resources. Zoos have teaching important for education for sustainable development from millions of visitors, especially children. Finally, the zoos are also applied research centres, opening their collections to researchers and facilitating access to information, obtaining in their natural environment would be difficult and costly.
    The zooparc of Beauval is the first french Zoological Park in attendance, budget, number of employees, and animal collection (number of species and animals). Aware of its responsibilities and wishing each time to project even more in the future, the ZooParc de Beauval prepares an expansion area to develop in the next 5 years.

    2. general interest of the extension project

    The extension of the zooparc of Beauval will obviously strengthen its important role economic and tourism locally and nationally by the following facts:

    - Creation of CDI 10 jobs by 2015 to reach 20 jobs Commission in 2018.

    - Creation of 15 seasonal jobs by 2015 to reach 50 seasonal jobs in 2018. In 2015 the ZooParc de Beauval company will employ 250 CDI and 250 seasonal workers in high season and include three hotels.

    - Significant impact of the amount of work on the local fabric of Entrepreneurs in recalling that the Deb family is very attached to the distribution of contracts to local businesses it supports throughout the year.

    - Significant impact on trade in maintaining a level of visitors in the city as well as on rural restaurants, bed and breakfast and self catering.

    - Significant impact at the level of the image of the region and the country.

    - The ZooParc de Beauval is the first site visited in the Centre Region, the first French Zoo, in 15 first visited sites in France.

    - Significant impact on the attractiveness of our region by bringing together sites like castles, gastronomy, ecology with the beauty of our sites such as the Loire and Cher... in a global offering who interest to retain customers for at least a weekend that strengthens the global economy's economic and tourism.

    3. presentation of the proposed extension

    The ZooParc de Beauval anticipates its future development with the completion of a new extension to the year 2014/2018 on an area of 21 ha in the Bachaudiere localities / Cabaya, between the pottery and the Valley. This area was previously subject to preventive archaeology excavations of which the results are presented in annex 14 to the general folder.
    This extension will reinforce the attractiveness of the zooparc and establish its regional supremacy in tourist numbers, and will allow, through the creation of a new area show for the birds to separate the two shows (sea lions and birds) in order to better distribute the flow of visitors inside the Park.
    The creation of a new restaurant targets the diversification and increased supply in restoration in the zooparc.

    (a) the site

    - The steep slopes of the site lends itself perfectly to the realization of this project on 21 ha. Need to achieve two objectives:
    -respect the lives of animals by adapting the site to their environment with changing spaces, relaxation and rest,
    -imagine the best way to make the public discover the biodiversity of species preserving their privacy while ensuring the continued safety.
    In accordance with usual ZooParc de Beauval puts at disposal of animals large landscaped areas. Thus, it is possible to admire the animals and the entire repertoire of their natural behaviour.

    - Perfectly imagined foothills provide animals to multiple spaces. Wherever possible we use gradient to channel storm water to a large retention pond to be used for watering and put water in the various basins that are created in the enclosures.
    The safe isolation of spaces is provided by ditches delimited by sets of rocks of depth variable depending on the capabilities of each species so as to proscribe the most fences. Hidden electric fences visitors reinforce the safety of ditches.
    Premises of rest for animals, hidden in the environment, are cleverly arranged according to the species. Shelters suitable for the species are created in each enclosure to ensure their rest. It is worth noting that most animals have entered the night on their premises, as are already those of the current fleet.

    b) the facilities provided in the new extension area

    - It is important that the public and the authorities understand that each animal in our 'collection' is not here by chance. Each animal and species that we welcome in Beauval, contributes effectively to the conservation of the biodiversity of our planet, directly through breeding programmes and indirectly, by playing the role of ambassadors for their wild congeners.
    This area contains mainly terrestrial African species on large enclosures perfectly arranged according to the species. The final design of the whole is not complete and may undergo changes during the work to allow our visitors to discover animals in an environment similar to their natural habitat.
    As a first step, an African restaurant (Kilimanjaro), an amphitheatre for the show of birds in free flight "Masters of the air", aviaries for the different species of birds of the show, an enclosure for bongos and other antelopes African, children's playgrounds, walkways and elevators have already been built or are under construction on the first 5 hectares of this area.
    An amphitheatre of outdoor 2 800 seats on 23 levels of bleachers was built within the confines of the two thalwegs so as to dominate the space and the environment to enjoy birds, including raptors developments. Its north facing, giving the advantage to the public will never be exposed to the Sun, provides a clear vision. This concrete construction ensures not only the connections between the hills but also allows the shelter of equipment and materials needed for the activity of this new area. It supports small Fireworks to release and reception of the birds above visitors.
    To restore and ensure hygiene of customers it has already been created in this extended area a restaurant/burger with African décor of 700 places with warming cuisine and its toilets. This construction 10 concentric half-timbered structure apparent supporting artificial thatch roof imitating Palm includes leaves of large isolated by cladding panels wood in order to recreate the style of African boxes. The dominant building is connected, using walkways in thatch based structures wood, four satellites of the same style, which have the following functions:
    -a space exhibition in the South.
    -a point of sale of sandwiches, pizzas and ice cream to the West,
    -a gift shop in the North.
    -a sanitary group Northeast with space babies (table changing...), of the washrooms for persons with reduced mobility (PRM)...
    Large wooden terraces provide plazas where the public can admire the magnificent points of view on the Valley of the stream "the train leaves" and animals, including the bongos.

    Other enclosures will follow over the next five years including:

    - An enclosure for African lions (Panthera leo krugeri) that respects the fauves safety standards already in place at the zooparc of Beauval which are described in Chapter VIII of this folder (study of hazards).

    - An enclosure for the cheetahs (Acinonys jubatus jubatus) which will meet the safety standards for the fauves already in place at the zooparc of Beauval which are described in Chapter VIII of this record (study of hazards).

    - An enclosure for the dogs (Lycaon pictus) that respects the fauves safety standards already in place at the zooparc of Beauval which are described in Chapter VIII of this record (study of hazards).

    - A large enclosure/Aviary to hippos and other species, will take on 7 000 m², with different structures. This installation will be divided into three parts to include in this complex the Nyalas and the Red River hogs, and will be fully covered with wire netting in order to include also several species of large African birds. The main structure is located around the basin of the hippopotamus. This basin will have a surface of 433 m², for a volume of 790 m³, and will be surrounded by beaches and lagoons to aquatic plants. A waterfall, tucked away in a lagoon of 28 m² with water at 18 ° reserved for African fish, complete the entire aquatic. Associated with this enclosure main 1 300 m², hippos, a 1 150 m² area, lean-to stalls, is reserved for the antelopes. This zone includes a basin of 166 m² with recycling on the hippopotamus basin waterfall.
    Similarly, a dry 500 m², the bushpig, reserved area will be located on the West zone.
    A huge aviary, tent-shaped, will go to cover all this pen and limit the space of birds in freedom on the whole site.
    The public will benefit from outstanding views through three levels of terraces leading to the basement on large Bay Windows that will allow a subaqueous hippos vision, and the ground floor on top of the plan water and beaches with, in the background, the antelopes and the Red areas. Finally, upstairs terrace treed with three African boxes covered in artificial palm tree leaves will enable panoramic views of the whole of the site and its surroundings.
    The plans of this facility, the only one whose final design is already determined are listed below.
    To ensure the functioning of the area of the hippos, we both create an important area of rest and isolation as well as a technical area which is essentially aimed at the treatment of the waters of the basin.

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    Indeed, taking into account the particularity of the hippos to dissolve their feces with circular movements of their tail, the filtration of water is essential. We therefore considered a full course of treatment. The basin will include both water-suction grilles carefully arranged to create a leading current Tana residues and of air gaps skimming the surface of the water in a ratio of 60/40% of the volume pumped. This water will drain empties into a balloon equipped with a screen buffer. Two drums with membranes, self-cleaning filters, ensure the main filtration. Wash water will be treated in sand filters. Finally, treatment with ozone 24 hours will allow the destruction by oxidation of the fine particles in suspension. That dosage 1.33 ppm, dangerous for the animals, will be destroyed in the open air by the defined cascade earlier and by a special device placed in the technical room. This water, automatically controlled, will feed so continuously basin. There'll be only a tiny part of charged water, estimated at 10 m³/day, and solid particles. Water will be pushed by a pump in a tight line, resulting in a tank at the station of anaerobic digestion on the Hill in front. Solid particles, estimated at 1 m³/day, will be deposited in a special tank with the manure of the animals in the zoo to feed the digesters.

    These species, which will be present in this installation are as follows:

    -Hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius)
    -Nyala (Tragelaphus angasi)
    -Red (Potamocherus porcus)
    -Spoonbill (Platalea leucorodia)
    -Hammerkop (Scopus umbretta)
    -Ibis, hadada (Bostrychia hagedash)
    -Heron (Ardea goliath) goliath
    -African tantalum (Mycteria ibis)
    -Widow Dencrocygne (Dendrocygna viduata)
    -Vulture neophron monk (Necrosyrtes monachus)
    -Cape ibis (Geronticus calvus)
    -Bald ibis (Geronticus eremita)
    -Stork of Abdim (Ciconia abdimii)
    -Guineafowl (Acryllium vulturinum) vulturine
    -other African TBD birds
    -several species of cichlids from Malawi and South Africa would also be presented.

    An installation for hippos dwarfs and Red:
    -Hippopotamus (Hexaprotodon liberiensis) pymee
    -Monkey (Cercopithecus sp.)

    An African savannah with:
    -White rhinoceros (Ceratotherium simum simum)
    -Reticulated giraffe (Giraffa camelopardalis reticulata)
    -African elephant (Loxodonta africana)
    -Zebra of Grevy (Equus grevyi)
    -Greater Kudu (Tragelaphus strepsiceros strepsiceros)
    -Roan antelope (Hippotragus equinus) roan
    -Sitatunga (Tragelaphus spekii gratus)
    -Waterbuck Waterbuck (Kobus ellipsiprymnus)
    -Thompson's gazelle (Eudorcas thomsonii)
    -Some other African savanna antelope species
    -Ostrich (Struthio camelus camelus
    -Crowned cranes (Balearica sp.)
    -Guinea fowl of Numidia (Numida meleagris)

    A Sahelian plain with:
    -Camels (Camelus dromedarius)
    -Morrh gazelles (Gazella dama)
    -Gazelle dorcas (Gazella dorcas)
    -Oryx Oryx (Oryx dammah)
    -Gerenuk (Litocranius walleri)
    -Dick-dick (Madoqua kirkii)

    These two Great Plains may be visited inside the enclosure by the public by means of transport to be defined later.

    - An Aviary for spouts in sabot (Balaeniceps rex)

    - An Aviary for birds with structure surrounded will be created to the South of the site, behind the new bleachers and above the stormwater retention basin.

    A circular greenhouse of 1 500 m² large reptiles, sharks and butterflies will be built East of the site, which will house the following species:

    - -Lizards of Komodo (monitor Varanus komodoensis)
    -False gharial (Tomistoma schlegelii)
    -Gavial (Gavialis gangeticus)
    -Saltwater crocodile (Crocodylus porosus)
    -Varan perentie (Varanus giganteus)
    -Giant tortoise of Seychelles (Aldabrachelys gigantea)
    -Turtle matamata (Chelus fimbriata)
    -Shark (Carcharhinus melanopterus) blacktip
    -Shark (Carcharhinus albimarginatus) white tip
    -Shark Bull (taurus Charcharias)
    -an Aviary for fruit bats (Pteropus livingstonii)
    -eventually this greenhouse will also House on day parole several species of butterflies

    To landscaping this magnificent site of African trees such as palms, succulents, Acacia plantations... will be carefully arranged in concert with rocks to remind African landscapes.

    Storm water will be drained to two stormwater retention basins: that on the lower part and that created by a top dam site. The two basins will be linked CCTV pumped through pipes.
    Wide pedestrian paths lined with rocks and plants with flowers wild equipped with benches, chemineront sometimes on ridges and sometimes in the background of Valley to also allow the public to discover this whole area. The site will be isolated from adjacent properties by decorative hedges also planted trees of tall stems of regional species that will double the African vegetation.
    The map below provides an overview of the future occupation of this area of extension. However, the implementation of the various infrastructures may be modified during the different phases of construction to better adapt them to the ground or to the requirements of management of animals and the movement of visitors.
    All the rules of safety for animals, employees and the public, already in place at the zooparc of Beauval, will be applied in the design and management of the different infrastructures of this extended area.

    PHOTOS EXTENSION:




    OTHER PROJECTS OF THE ZOOPARC OF BEAUVAL

    In addition to the 21 hectares of expansion, the zooparc of Beauval has other projects in the short, medium and long term, whose locations are not yet completely defined, and which are the following:

    - An enclosure for macaques (Macaca silenus) ouanderous and babiroussas (Babyrousa babyrussa) most likely to the current installation of camels.

    - An Aviary for proboscis (Nasalis larvatus).

    - An Aviary for languors (Douc langur (Pygathrix nemaeus) or black langur (Trachypithecus obscurus)).

    - An enclosure for wolves (Canis lupus).

    - An enclosure for brown bears (Ursus arctos).

    - An enclosure for giant otters (Pteronura brasiliensis).

    - A pen for dogs (Speothos venaticus) bushes.

    - A pen to dholes or dog wild Asia (Cuon alpinus).

    - A loris complex including aviaries of reproduction and exhibition and also an immersion with Rainbow lorikeets (Trichoglossus haematodus) enclosures.

    - A large aquatic complex covered including:
    -sea otters (Enhydra lutris),
    -Patagonian sea lions (Otaria flavescens),
    -seals (Phoca vitulina),
    -seabirds (sea parrots (Fratercula arctica) and guillemots (Uria aalge)),
    -some marine aquariums including jellyfish.
    -Optionally (to study the feasibility) a species of cetaceans.

    Thanks to Antoine to have found all this and have written. (on LZDLM)

    Source

    Okay, there, in terms of species, it is expected nevertheless to heavy, a sacred upcoming collection. The proboscis anyway! On the other hand, the whale... Laughing

    Soon the largest ZOO in the world? Cool


    Last edited by Shivendra le Tue 14 Apr 2015 - 18:23, last edited 2 times


    There are a couple of photos too

    actuzoo.forumactif.com/t10830-masterplan-du-zooparc-de-beauval#105633 - Translator
     
  2. LaughingDove

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    I had a scan through the text and a look at the species list and what jumped out at me was:

    That'll be cool. :)
     
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    This is a pretty ambitious agenda! Not just the proposed species - proboscis monkeys, douc langurs, shoebills, whales - but also the size and scope of what is being proposed. My eye is caught by the suggestion of elephants being a part of the African plain exhibit.

    Master plans need to be taken with a pinch of salt, of course, but if any zoo has the drive to make things happen it is Beauval. Let's hope this happens!
     
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    Whale? It just says a species of cetacean. It'll probably be a dolphin, but yes, extremely impressive.
     
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    Those species, along with gerenuk, are the ones that caught my eye. The African aviary which is planned is also very ambitious. It appears to cover the hippo and red river hog enclosure, it sounds amazing if they can pull it off! :)
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if they pull it all off.

    gerenuk,proboscis, doucs, shoebill, two species of hippo, gharial, livingstones fruit bat, seaotters and giant otter.... :)
     
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    The reptile and fish sections sound pretty good as well; bull sharks, black tip and white tip reef sharks, Komodo dragons, Perenties and 3 very impressive species of crocodilians with an aviary for Livingstone's fruit bats thrown in as well, sounds pretty good to me! :)
     
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    If this happened the collection would accelerate up my master list for visiting!
     
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    Another thing that has occurred to me is whether this will lead to the development of the current elephant and savanah exhibit for other species?
     
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    Interesting. From what I can tell this application is dated from around 2013. I wonder if any progress has been made since? Certainly a 2018 completion date seems highly ambitious.

    The list of proposed species reads like a zoo nerd's hall of fame. Proboscis monkeys and douc langurs? Bull sharks? Gerenuk? Shoebill? Sea otters or giant otters? Well, why not both?

    Having said that, the totality seems implausible but everything is, in isolation from the rest, perfectly achievable. Beauval is a private, for-profit zoo and if (but only if) the business case stacks up there's no reason to assume this won't happen. I do suspect, though, that the continuing and perhaps even worsening debacle that is the Eurozone economy may put paid to at least some of the plans for now.

    If they pull it off then, given the outstanding quality of the existing zoo (let's not forget we are talking about an Anthony Sheridan Award winner here), Beauval will be making a very serious play for best-in-the-world status.
     
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    Well, of course, in that case the viability of the master plan cannot be doubted!
     
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    Indeed. It's effectively built already.

    Btw, I should have double checked the Latin name of what was translated as 'bull shark' in the text. It is, of course, the rather more commonly kept grey nurse shark.

    I'm also interpreting that most of the proposals would be built on currently unused land, which is good. I'd hate for such an attractive looking zoo to effectively be bulldozed in pursuit of the latest fashions.
     
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    Could this possibly make Beauval the best zoo in Europe?
     
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    If everything in the plan ends up as described: Yes.
    But as already highlighted by others, this is a masterplan and the end-results are often (usually!) very different. Only the future will tell.
    Among the species highlighted by others, most could actually be sources without huge problems (incl. gerenuk, giant otter, bull shark [yes, I did read that they actually ment grey nurse], gharial, etc). The real problems would be proboscis monkey, douc and sea otter. I suspect the first two depend on the eventual level of success with proboscis at Apenheul and the sea otter depends on the willingness of the US authorities to send more to Europe (Russia may also be willing to trade a pair for two warships, but that's another discussion;)). Anyway, even without these 3 species it would be remarkable and Beauval is already a pretty good zoo.
     
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    That's a fair analysis. Considering the number of Doucs in South Asian collections, how hard would it be for a European zoo to obtain some of them?
     
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    Speculative, but as mentioned in my last post I suspect it depends on the eventual level of success at proboscis monkey at Apenheul. Apenheul is essentially a test. Proboscis and douc have similar lifestyles and the main problem in keeping them outside tropical Asia is the same: Primarily food, especially during the winter where fresh leaves aren't easily available in non-tropical regions. Frozen leaves that are defrosted are used, but the results have been mixed so far. This has been the main issue before when kept in North America and Europe, and remains the main issue at Apenheul. Sure there was some breeding earlier when mixed sex groups were kept (even a hybrid douc X proboscis at Erfurt!), but the mortality rates ment that they never became self-sustaining and eventually died out. The 1 remaining douc in Cologne obviously won't change that. In contrast, they're generally doing quite well (regular breeding and all) in the few southeast Asian zoos that keep them where fresh food can be easily sources locally. If these zoos can see that it truly has been cracked at Apenheul, I suspect they'll be happy to send more to Europe. Females too, instead of just passing on surplus males. Without that, I suspect they'll be hesitant. After all, if Apenheul can't do it with their huge level of experience in primates, who can?
     
  17. banham.tiger

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    What is going to happen to the white lion and tigers?
     
  18. Sneeuwpanter

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    Maybe the won't be able to get all the species listed, but i think the will built all major exhibits. Hippo, Pygmee hippo's, Aviary's, Greenhouse, African plains, Sahel, Aquatic complex etc.

    The hippo instalation will open 2016. Does anyone know what plans there are within the current parc ? As they are relocating a lot of species. For example what will they be doing with the current african plains display.
     
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    Cetaceans of any kind are now off the proposals for the zoo in the future, due to an online
    campaign protesting the potential dolphinarium at the zoo.