True! This sounds very much like a case of husbandry inadequacy and not heeding the social organisation and structure of natural Hamadryas groups. BTW: the zoos of Emmen Netherlands and Hamm in Germany have definite surplus Hamadryas. The latter even direct 30 to give away ...!!!
I read a paper on Hamadryas many years ago by Kummerand Kurt,- apparently in the wild, troops consist of a number of units each comprising an adult male with normally 2-3 females and offspring. In many captive primate situations, young males prove a nuisance/harmful to small babies as they have more time to focus unnatural attention on them, instead of other activities they would have in the wild such as foraging, travelling etc.
They were Beth, Greet and Macey from Wellington Zoo: Beth (04/06/1994) born at Wellington Zoo Greet (16/09/1996) born at Dierenpark Emmen Macey (13/03/2004) born at Wellington Zoo Beth is the mother of Macey. Wellington Zoo imported Beth's mother from Melbourne Zoo in 1988. Wellington Zoo imported Greet from Dierenpark Emmen in 2001. Greet died at Adelaide Zoo; Beth and Macey were then sent to Melbourne Zoo, where Macey has since given birth to a son: Hamadryas Baboon Birth | Zoos Victoria
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The young male Tomkay was incredibly aggressive towards the new females and they were absolutely battered. The zoo persevered for some time, but Tomkay received no discipline from Horus. It’s a very unfortunate situation. I wonder if there will be options in the future to export Tomkay to a group with males that won’t put up with bad behaviour.
Wonder why Horus didn’t discipline Tomkay when he got two new females that he can mate with. Intresting that Tomkay was the one that was agressive because i would’ve thought that it would have been Chappi protecting Tomkay and not wanting to have Horus mating with other females. Since @Sunbear12 said it was so recent following Tomkay’s birth.
Since@Sunbear12 said it was so recent following Tomkay’s birth.[/QUOTE] Just to clarify I said it was after not recent. The introduction occurred between the birth of the first two young but I can’t remember exact times at which the introduction took place.
I would simply have removed him from the group, let the new females settle with the adult male until he was bonded with them and saw them as his 'property' then try bringing back the younger male. More than likely the adult male would not have let him near them afterward.
The export of the 3 females to Adelaide Zoo was part of a mass export of Wellington Zoo's female Hamadryas baboon (they now have only males). 4 females were sent to Melbourne Zoo in November 2015, so I'm guessing the 3 sent to Adelaide Zoo left the same month. Tomkay turned one in December 2015 so he wouldn't have been very old when these introductions took place. Ultimately, he's shot himself in the foot as his father, Horus (born 1999) is now 19 years old and past his prime. Males are typically ousted from their posititon as a leader of a one-male unit at the age of 16, so the only reason he has maintained his position is by vitrtue of being the only adult male. Tomkay (nearly 4 years old) will no doubt assume the alpha role in the next couple of years and would have had a decent sized harem had these females remained in the troop. When Wellington Zoo had a decent sized troop, they usually had around 3 males leading one-male units. At one point, they had two males leading one-male units (one with four females; the other with six females). This was caused by a previous alpha dying and his females being divided between the remaining two units. I was surprised to read about the formation of a Hamadrayas baboon troop at the London Zoo in 1925. Somebody had the bright idea to kick things off with 90+ males and only 6 females. There were mutliple deaths of males and even the addition of 30 females did little to alleviate conflicts. I'd suggest the best ratio is at least two females to every male (but ideally 3-5).
There were so many males on 'Monkey Hill' they also killed females due to fighting for possession of them etc. Terrible imbalance of the sexes, even additional 30 females would have meant males stil outnumbered them approximately 3 to1.
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