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Discussion in 'Australia' started by Jambo, 20 Sep 2018.

  1. Zoofan15

    Zoofan15 Well-Known Member

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    While I agree bringing Putra Mas to Melbourne Zoo is the next obvious move, I think they should delay it another three years until Man Jai is over eight years old. Right now at five and a half years, he’s in the critical risk zone for catching EEHV and I’d be wary of introducing any new elephants into the herd.

    Some of the birth intervals of the cows at Melbourne are getting ridiculous so as a priority, I’d say do AI with Kulab (last gave birth 2010) and then possibly Dokoon (last gave birth 2013); while Num Oi (last gave birth 2016) and Mali (born 2010) could wait to be bred naturally in 2022 without any major issues.

    I don’t think Permai should go to Sydney as she’d be living with a matriarch who’s younger than her; and space at Taronga Zoo is limited. I think Auckland Zoo is the best place for her. She’d fit in well with their two females, and it’s doubtful their third elephant they’ve been trying to source for years is ever gonna come.
     
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  2. Elephantelephant

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    I admit Auckland is better for Permai. I wouldn't expect to move Putra Mas. Man Jai is an age when he could leave the zoo. And if we kept waiting for the calves to grow up, the elephants would die out in the zoos.
     
  3. Zoofan15

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    Man Jai is only five years old. While he is weaned and no longer dependent on his mother, he’s still developing socially and should remain with his herd for at least another 2-3 years.

    Luk Chai (2009) and Pathi Harn (2010) remained full time with their herd until 2015, when they moved to Taronga Western Plains Zoo with their mothers. That then began the gradual process of separating from their herd; but even then they’ve had each other for socialisation, as well as opportunities to interact with the adult bull, Gung; their mothers; and their mother’s new calves.

    If Melbourne Zoo were to export Man Jai, the only way he could gain such social skills would be if he was integrated with other elephants; which as outlined could potentially expose him to EEHV if carried by any of the new elephants he then mixed with.

    There’s no need to wait for calves to grow up each time prior to the next birth. Simply wait until the calves from the previous bull (Mali, Ongard and Man Jai) have grown up - we’re two down; one to go, and then import the new bull. After Putra Mas is imported, there will be no need to import a new bull for many years as all females within Melbourne’s herd are unrelated to him.
     
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    Will this move happen at all?!?
     
  5. Zoofan15

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    Most probably. Man Jai is related to half of Melbourne Zoo's female herd and all the time there are unrelated founders in the region, is unlikely to be required for breeding at Melbourne Zoo (or anywhere) in the immediate or short term future. Unless the herd are imminently going to move to Werribee, the logical move is to import Putra Mas for natural breeding in two to three years. Integrating Putra Mas and Man Jai could be difficult and space at Melbourne is already limited; so once Man Jai is at an appropriate age to leave the herd, what reason would there be to keep him at Melbourne? Export outside the region (as was done with Ongard) could even be an option.
     
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    The paper version of the Herald Sun Newspaper published 2 articles today about the plan to move the entire herd of elephants from Melbourne to Werribee and went into detail about Werribee's 6 stage masterplan. The elephant sanctuary will be the last stage. I haven't been able to find any online articles as yet.
     
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    Here it is, behind a paywall: heraldsun

    This is a short summary article as well. Melbourne Zoo is losing its much loved elephants

    One last article: Melbourne Zoo Is Losing One If Its Most Popular Attractions

    The new facility will be able to accommodate up to 15 elephants on 20 hectares (50 acres). From what i’ve seen a gondala and hyenas are also planned at werribee.
     
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    I hope that after moving to a large breeding facility will bring some bull (preferably Putra Mas) and start breeding. All cows except Mek Kapah could have calves.
     
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  11. Zoofan15

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    I can definitely see that happening; however AI will need to be done in the mean time at Melbourne Zoo if they want to keep their cows reproductively viable. Not breeding them for another eight years would mean an 11 year period of non breeding for Num Oi; a 14 year period of non breeding for Dokoon; and a 17 year period of non breeding for Kulab. While it’d be nice for Mali to breed soon, she could technically wait another eight years until she was 17 years old to breed (a similar age to Porntip and Pak Boon when they first bred).
     
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    Exactly, AI should be performed on all cows except Mek Kapah. Also in Mali, I would recommend it soon. All three other cows should really have another calf before moving.
     
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    The 62-year-old elephant cow, Saigon, the last Australian circus elephant, moved to the new Sydney Zoo. So far he lives with three Water Buffalos, later the zoo plans to get more elephants.
     
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