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Taman Safari Bogor Bornean Bay Cat at Taman Safari Bogor

Discussion in 'Indonesia' started by Chlidonias, 30 Mar 2018.

  1. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    It'd be very interesting to know the origin of it.
    What's the history of this species in captivity? zootierliste mentions one individual at Rome zoo, is this the only one outside of southeast Asia?
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    That Rome record might be dodgy. I remember it being discussed briefly on Zoochat before - I'll have to try and find it again - I think it's just based on a passing mention in the zoo records.
     
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    Found it: Iberian Lynx trip report

    In fact the "discussion" was just @Arizona Docent mentioning it and me wondering if it really was a Bay Cat.

     
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    So that dubious record aside, this is the first specimen outside of Borneo? Now that is exciting!
     
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    Given the fact that at the time Bay Cat was regarded as a subspecies of Asian Golden Cat, I have long-suspected that the record in question may apply to a Asian Golden Cat which came into the collection from a shipment which left Indonesia from Borneo, but which was not necessarily captured *in* Borneo. In the intervening time someone has seen a record of a Golden Cat arriving from Borneo and jumped to a conclusion which may or may not be correct.
     
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    :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
    That photo was taken 20 days after my visit, and there's no reason to think it was the first day it was on show. The chance it was onsite when I was there is fairly high I think.
    @devilfish, did you book your flight yet?
     
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    It's sort of like (but much worse) when I found out later that the Assam Zoo almost certainly had a melanistic Golden Cat right when I was there, but it wasn't on show that I saw.
     
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    Given all the very nice species the pair of you have seen, you can't really complain too much :p
     
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    I think this is (clearly) an error in the data, but the CITES Trade Database has two live Catopuma badia being exported from Malaysia to Canada for breeding in 2000.
     
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    And I found the other thread on Zoochat where I was talking about the Rome Bay Cat:
    Very Exotic Shape/Size/Colour of Tropical Animal, Present Yours?

    So basically it is an animal which lived less than two months and was not preserved. It could have been a Bay Cat or it could have been a misidentified Asiatic Golden Cat. There's no way to know one way or the other.
     
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    A bay cat on display at Taman Safari? I only have one thing to say about that.

    Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
     
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    This blog post from 2013 also shows a Sunda clouded leopard (N Diardii) at Taman Safari Bogor (scroll down to the the third animal): May | 2013 | photoplusbyritasim | Page 6
    The cat in the photo appears quite young. Is it possible they have this AND bay cat??? :eek:
     
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    Yes, they have diardi. There's a photo in the gallery.
     
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    And I used it in my Felid taxonomy thread, too :p
     
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    Actually you used the photo by @Vision which was taken at Taman Safari 2. The photo at Taman Safari Bogor is by @devilfish.
     
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    Any info on how large the Neofelis diardi population is in Indonesia?
     
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    Ok I am already planning (in my mind) my first foray to SE Asia in 2019.
     
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    I am destined at some point this year or early next to visit both TS Bogor and Prigen.
     
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