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British Isles Cup Group A: Dublin/Fota vs Cotswold

Discussion in 'ZooChat Cup' started by CGSwans, 23 Mar 2020.

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Dublin/Fota vs Cotswold: South and Central America

Poll closed 25 Mar 2020.
  1. Dublin/Fota 3-0 Cotswold

    0 vote(s)
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  2. Dublin/Fota 2-1 Cotswold

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Cotswold 2-1 Dublin/Fota

    85.0%
  4. Cotswold 3-0 Dublin/Fota

    5.0%
  5. Bonus: Cotswold

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Bonus: Dublin/Fota

    5.0%
  7. No bonus

    55.0%
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  1. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    And we’re off. South and Central America.

    The quoted post below contains an in-depth explanation of how this cup will work. I’ll just summarise how the bonus votes are supposed to work:
    - You do not have to cast a bonus vote and should only do so if it means your vote more accurately reflects the relative merits of each zoo. Don’t cast bonus votes just because you can.
    - You can select one of the bonus vote options, but it will only be counted if you post an explanation, of at least 25 words, of why you are voting the way you are.
    - Both regular votes and bonus votes are changeable. If you change your mind about how to vote, do take account of your bonus vote as well. Remember that you are essentially casting four votes, so consider what balance you are trying to strike.
    - A bonus vote can not be cast for a zoo that you have already voted 3-0 for. That is, you cannot cast what amounts to a 4-0 vote.


     
  2. amur leopard

    amur leopard Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Dublin/Fota:
    Bolivian squirrel monkey
    Callimico
    Eastern pygmy marmoset
    Golden lion tamarin
    Linnaeus' two-toed sloth
    South American tapir
    White-faced saki
    Black-and-gold howler monkey
    Capybara
    Colombian black spider monkey
    Patagonian mara

    Black-bellied whistling duck
    Coscoroba swan
    Chilean flamingo
    Humboldt penguin
    Military macaw
    White-cheeked pintail
    Northern pintail

    Common green iguana
    Jamaican boa
    Central American wood turtle
    Red-footed tortoise

    Cotswold WP:
    Azara's agouti
    Bearded emperor tamarin
    Capybara
    Common squirrel monkey
    Cotton-top tamarin
    Giant anteater
    Golden-handed tamarin
    Linnaeus' two toed sloth
    Paraguayan tamandua
    Patagonian mara
    Pygmy marmoset
    Red titi
    Seba's short-tailed bat
    Six-banded armadillo
    South American tapir

    Black curassow
    Blue-and-yellow macaw
    Blue throated piping guan
    Burrowing owl
    Chilean flamingo
    Chiloe wigeon
    Coscoroba swon
    Fulvous whistling duck
    Green aracari
    Guira cuckoo
    Humboldt penguin
    Muscovy duck
    Northern pintail
    Northern shoveler
    Red shoveler
    Ringed teal
    Scarlet ibis
    Silver teal
    Southern black-bellied whistling duck
    Southern lapwing
    Southern screamer
    Speckled teal
    Striated caracara
    Turkey vulture
    Cattle egret
    White faced whistling duck

    Blue spiny lizard
    Eyelash viper
    Hispaniolan rhinoceros iguana
    Jamaican boa
    Morelet's crocodile
    Utile spinytail iguana

    47-22 in Cotswolds WP's favour. Photos in a bit for those who are interested.
     
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  3. amur leopard

    amur leopard Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Cotswold WP (Thanks to @gulogulogulo for the photos):


    Tropical house with numerous species of duck as well as the tamanduas, armadillos and aracaris:

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    Eyelash viper exhibit:

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    Tamandua and armadillo outdoors:

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    Humboldt penguin exhibit:

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    Blue-throated piping-guan exhibit:

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    I'm sure there are many more, but that hopefully gives a sort of idea as to what kind of exhibits they are :)
     
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  4. amur leopard

    amur leopard Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Dublin + Fota

    Flamingo aviary with Bahama pintails in there as well:

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    South America house with White-faced sakis, Golden lion tamarins, sloths, macaws, Callimicos and a few species of turtle:

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    Howler monkey or spider monkey enclosure?

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    Sadly, I was not able to find many relevant photos from these zoos, especially Fota, mainly because of the paucity of photos of the latter but also of some not very descriptive photo titles, so it would be great if a regular/once time visitor could give their opinion on the zoo in this aspect?
    Thanks
    AL
     
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  5. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    I have only visited CWP, and as such my knowledge of the two Irish collections is limited to the information I have gleaned through this site and discussion with friends who have visited; however, Cotswold *is* very strong in this category in my opinion, having both a relatively large collection and rather nice exhibits for this collection, and prior to the slight adjustment in the voting rules it would have certainly earned a 3-0 vote despite the fact that (judging from photographs) Fota and Dublin seem to also have very pleasant-looking exhibits for what little they do have.

    However, this is purely because the 3-vote system lacks the required subtlety to differentiate between a collection with nothing to offer, and one which *is* good but which doesn't merit as much as one-third of the overall vote. I don't think that Fota/Dublin are good enough in this category to merit 1/3 of the vote, but equally it wouldn't be fair to say they deserve none of the vote..... and now we have a solution to the problem :)

    3-0 to CWP, with a bonus point to Dublin/Fota.
     
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  6. (Adsa)

    (Adsa) Well-Known Member

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    This is a list of all the animals but mirror animals are in red
    Dublin/Fota:
    Bolivian squirrel monkey
    Callimico
    Eastern pygmy marmoset
    Golden lion tamarin
    Linnaeus' two-toed sloth
    South American tapir
    White-faced saki
    Black-and-gold howler monkey
    Capybara
    Colombian black spider monkey
    Patagonian mara

    Black-bellied whistling duck
    Coscoroba swan
    Chilean flamingo
    Humboldt penguin
    Military macaw
    White-cheeked pintail
    Northern pintail

    Common green iguana
    Jamaican boa
    Central American wood turtle
    Red-footed tortoise

    Cotswold WP:
    Azara's agouti
    Bearded emperor tamarin
    Capybara
    Common squirrel monkey
    Cotton-top tamarin
    Giant anteater
    Golden-handed tamarin
    Linnaeus' two toed sloth
    Paraguayan tamandua
    Patagonian mara
    Pygmy marmoset
    Red titi
    Seba's short-tailed bat
    Six-banded armadillo
    South American tapir

    Black curassow
    Blue-and-yellow macaw
    Blue throated piping guan
    Burrowing owl
    Chilean flamingo
    Chiloe wigeon
    Coscoroba swan
    Fulvous whistling duck
    Green aracari
    Guira cuckoo
    Humboldt penguin
    Muscovy duck
    Northern pintail
    Northern shoveler
    Red shoveler
    Ringed teal
    Scarlet ibis
    Silver teal
    Southern black-bellied whistling duck
    Southern lapwing
    Southern screamer
    Speckled teal
    Striated caracara
    Turkey vulture
    Cattle egret
    White faced whistling duck

    Blue spiny lizard
    Eyelash viper
    Hispaniolan rhinoceros iguana
    Jamaican boa
    Morelet's crocodile
    Utile spinytail iguana
     
  7. amur leopard

    amur leopard Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    And black-bellied whistling ducks, pygmy marmosets and squirrel monkeys (not quite the same species for the latter but it is virtually the same thing) :)
     
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  8. Brum

    Brum Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    For a major zoo Dublin doesn't have much of anything to offer, and I don't think it's Fota's strong point either. Fortunately fo them, a lot of CWP's South American collection is held in rather basic enclosures so I feel that it doesn't deserve the 3-0 score, and neither collection gets a bonus. :)
     
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  9. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Here are a few more photos I found.

    Cotswold

    Pygmy Marmosets

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    Another couple of the Tropical House
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    Green Araci outdoor enclosure
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    Another one of the Humboldt penguin exhibit
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    Chilean Flamingos - unsure if they have access to the pond
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    South American Tapir and Capybara exhibit
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    This is the best of the Giant Anteater enclosure I could find.
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    Turkey Vulture aviary
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    Burrowing Owl aviary
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  10. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    South American Tapir enclosure
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    South American Tapir Indoors
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    South America House
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    Humboldt Penguin exhibit
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    Another one of the Chilean Flamingo exhibit
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    Outdoor Squirrel Monkey enclosure
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    Outdoor Saki Monkey enclosure
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  11. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Fota

    Portion of Saki Monkey enclosure
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    Portion of Colombian Spider Monkey enclosure
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    I'm not sure, but I think the Mara may be free roaming.
     
  12. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I believe this is the Howler monkey enclosure and judging from the image a very good one.
     
  13. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Cotswold

    Cotton Top Tamarin enclosure
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    Sloth using the roof
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  14. Jungle Man

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    The Tropical House at Cotswold looks pretty nice plus Cotswold has almost double species than Dublin+Fota I will vote 2-1 in favor of Cotswold with no bonus for neither collection.
     
  15. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    It's a tough one this as I am unsure whether to go 3-1 or 2-1 to Cotswold. Obviously, Cotswold has the far superior species line up which guaranteed it the win. However Dublin/Fota do have some impressive exhibits such as the Flamingo aviary and Howler Monkey enclosure, meaning they deserve at least a point. I decided against giving Cotswold a bonus point as from the photos a lot of their enclosures seem quite tired and they have no real impressive exhibit in this category. Although I'm sure when the Tropical House first opened it would have been a stand out exhibit, but now it is beginning to look a bit dated.
     
  16. britishzoofan

    britishzoofan Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Morlet's Crocodile enclosure
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  17. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Final result in this match is 37-18 to Cotswold, with one bonus vote cast by @TeaLovingDave .
     
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