Another one where I fear the margin may be the conversation, rather than the result. Primates. I already forget what godawful name they’ve given the collective of Paignton, Newquay and Living Coasts, but remember that you’re considering all three here.
Paignton/Newquay/Living coasts primates: Bearded emperor tamarin Black and gold howler monkey Black and white ruffed lemur Bornean orangutan Callimico Collared mangabey Colombian brown spider monkey Common squirrel monkey Cottontop tamarin Crested black macaque Crowned lemur Diana monkey Geoffroy's marmoset Hamadryas baboon King colobus Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur Malayan white-handed gibbon Mandrill Northern dry zone slender loris Pied tamarin Pileated gibbon Pygmy marmoset Pygmy slow loris Red ruffed lemur Red-fronted lemur Ring-tailed lemur Red titi Western lowland gorilla White-faced saki White-faced capuchin Yellow-breasted capuchin Jersey primates: Aye-aye Bearded emperor tamarin Black and gold howler monkey Black and white ruffed lemur Crested black macaque Golden lion tamarin Golden-rumped lion tamarin Lac Aloatra bamboo lemur Lar gibbon Pied tamarin Red ruffed lemur Red-fronted lemur Ring tailed lemur Silvery marmoset Sumatran orangutan Western lowland gorilla Interestingly, if one were to cancel out all duplicates: Paignton/Newquay/Living coasts primates: Callimico Collared mangabey Colombian brown spider monkey Common squirrel monkey Cottontop tamarin Crowned lemur Diana monkey Geoffroy's marmoset Hamadryas baboon King colobus Mandrill Northern dry zone slender loris Pileated gibbon Pygmy marmoset Pygmy slow loris Red titi White-faced saki White-faced capuchin Yellow-breasted capuchin Jersey primates: Aye-aye Golden lion tamarin Golden-rumped lion tamarin Silvery marmoset Anyways, Paignton and co win 33-16 in terms of species, and 21-4 if one cancels out duplicates.
Jersey Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure Orang-utan house interior Orang-utan and White Handed Gibbon outdoor exhibit Gorilla outdoor enclosure Gorilla interior Black Lion Tamarin aviary Pied Tamarin aviary Lemur lake exhibit (unsure which species) Red Ruffed Lemur enclosure Ring-Tailed and Red Fronted Brown Lemur enclosure Black and White Ruffed and Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit Aloatran Gentle Lemur exhibit
Jersey Aye Aye enclosure Black and Gold Howler Monkey indoors Howler Monkey outdoor enclosure (mixed with Andean bears and Coati)
Wow Jersey's enclosures look good! I'm tempted to vote 2-2 but I will wait until I see what Paignton's enclosures look like.
Thanks for doing my work. Edit: please don’t take this as sarcastic or passive aggressive, I realized it could come across that way. I just mean what i say
'Wild Planet Trust', IMHO an insult to the memory of Herbert Whitley. Probably not as daft as 'The King of Zoos', which is how they were trying to style themselves a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, I love those collections, just don't entirely appreciate some of the mumbo jumbo.
Paignton Bornean Orangutan enclosure Spider Monkey indoor enclosure? Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit Gorilla outdoors Allen's Swamp Monkey enclosure (not sure if still around) Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure Sulawesi Crested Macaque indoors Emperor Tamarin exhibit Pied Tamarin enclosure Cherry Crowned Mangabey enclosure Squirrel Monkey exhibit Hamadrayas Baboon enclosure Cotton-Top Tamarin island Pygmy Marmoset and Goeldi's Monkey enclosure
I like more the Jersey Zoo exhibits than the Paignton one but I will wait to vote because Paignton has more species than jersey.
From what I have seen of Paignton and Jersey, I reckon Jersey has better exhibits but an inferior species list. Therefore I am going to vote 2-1 Jersey with a bonus point for Whitley.
This is an especially tricky one for me... I've not been to Jersey, and until recently was an Intern for the Wild Planet Trust (at Paignton). I don't feel as though I can go in depth as I did for the Twycross/Bristol thread, but here are some points: Wild Planet Trust have the win in terms of species diversity; with the bonus of some rarer species for UK and European Zoos. This doesn't negate the fantastic species that Jersey have, and their amazing breeding success. Jersey seems to be more consistent with their exhibit quality, but WPT by no means have any awful exhibits - some of the highlights include the islands at both Newquay and Paignton. Both support great conservation work for primates: WPT's focus on the Macaques as they run the studbook, and Jersey are doing great things for Black Lion Tamarins currently. For me, its a score of 2-1 to Wild Planet Trust, with a bonus point to Jersey for the sheer amount of conservation work they have done historically, and continue to do.
Paignton Bornean Orangutan indoors Another couple of Orangutan islands Brown Spider Monkey enclosure Another of Ring-Tailed Lemur exhibit Gorilla interior Another of Gorilla exterior Lar Gibbon enclosure
Newquay Black and White and White Belted Ruffed Lemur island Geoffery's Marmoset enclosure Sulawesi Crested Macaque enclosure
Having been to both, Jersey’s outdoor exhibits quite frankly decimate Paignton’s. The only outdoor exhibit I can think of that’s better at Paignton is their lemur one, but even then their ring-tailed lemur/red ruffed lemur island is phenomenal. The gorilla indoors at Paignton is better than Jersey’s for sure, and whilst their orangutan indoors is bigger in terms of floor space I do like the height and overhead tunnels incorporated into Jersey’s. The orangutan islands at Jersey are better than Paignton’s, but the gorilla island at Paignton is roughly equal to Jersey’s I would say. Paignton’s large monkey house is admittedly better than Jersey’s Sulawesi macaque house, but again Jersey come through with a lovely outdoor exhibit with plenty of foliage. To top it off their callitrichid husbandry is insane - as can be seen by their large numbers of black lion tamarin and pied tamarin. And their Alaotran gentle lemur and aye-aye enclosures are great too. Paignton put up a good fight, hence me giving them a bonus, but Jersey for sure deserve the 2-1 here.
Jersey continues to do ground breaking work on the husbandry of those two tamarin species. Gentle Lemurs are more or less in a natural setting, and it's wonderful to see Aye-aye outside.
Paignton Diana Monkey enclosure From what I can see having never visited either collection, both are very strong in this category. They both have extremely high quality exhibits, with Jersey probably edging it with pretty much every exhibit being top class. However, Paignton etc dominate in terms of species held, with a much larger collection. This superior collection combined with the fact most exhibits are also of a high standard led me to give them a narrow 2-1 victory over Jersey. For Jersey this is a tie they really need to win as primates is one of their strongest categories by far.
Paignton wins this comfortably on species for me, though Jersey has one real rarity (black lion tamarin), Paignton has several rarities in the 2-5 holders in the UK category! Enclosure wise nothing at Paignton is so poor that Jersey should win imo. I voted 2-1 Paignton, but I think maybe 3-0 Paignton with a bonus for Jersey would be a fairer reflection!
I forgot that aye-aye and Sumatran orangutan each have more than five holders in the UK...oh wait Paignton have overall more uncommon primates as far as the UK is concerned, that much is true, but basing a score entirely on species and not at all on husbandry or conservation is a bit much isn’t it?
