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  1. Komodo99

    Komodo99 Well-Known Member

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    This thread is to discuss the species of crocodilians kept in zoos.What species are more common or rare than others,list of species that you have seen,where and what zoo did you see them at,compare exhibits and whether or not you may have interacted with them.

    Here is my list

    Saltwater Crocodile(Australian Reptile Park,Manly Aquarium)
    West African Dwarf Crocodile(Handled at WWT Martin Mere at the Animal Magic event)
    Freshwater Crocodile(Australian Reptile Park)
    Sunda Gharial(Chester Zoo)
    American Alligator(Australian Reptile Park)
    Spectacled Caiman(Chester Zoo)
    Yacare Caiman(Blackpool Zoo)
    Cuvier's Dwarf Caiman(Blue Planet Aquarium)
     
  2. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    Might as well give this one a crack; for the sake of simplicity this list doesn't take into account the ongoing splits taking place within the Slender-snouted Crocodile and Dwarf Crocodile. Species I am yet to see are in bold:

    Crocodylus acutus
    Crocodylus intermedius

    Crocodylus johnsoni - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2016)
    Crocodylus mindorensis - first seen at Chester Zoo (2010)
    Crocodylus moreletii - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Crocodylus niloticus - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Crocodylus novaeguineae
    Crocodylus palustris

    Crocodylus porosus - first seen at Paignton Zoo (2012)
    Crocodylus rhombifer - first seen at Paignton Zoo (2012)
    Crocodylus siamensis - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Crocodylus suchus
    Mecistops cataphractus - first seen at Colchester Zoo (2013)
    Osteolaemus tetraspis - first seen at Coast to Coast Exotics (date unknown)
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    Gavialis gangeticus
    - first seen at Zoo Berlin (2014)
    Tomistoma schlegelii - first seen at Paignton Zoo (2012)
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    Alligator mississippiensis
    - first seen at Welsh Mountain Zoo (2011)
    Alligator sinensis - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Caiman crocodilus - first seen at Chester Zoo (2011)
    Caiman latirostris - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Caiman yacare - first seen at Blackpool Zoo (2011)
    Melanosuchus niger - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
    Paleosuchus palpebrosus - first seen at Coast to Coast Exotics (date unknown)
    Paleosuchus trigonatus - first seen at Crocodiles of the World (2013)
     
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  3. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    It is worth noting that had I chosen to visit Protivin whilst in the Czech Republic last month, I could have seen three of the species which I am missing; however I decided not to visit the collection in question due to how tricky it is to reach by public transport and a (frankly idiotic) ban on all photography which is enforced at the collection.
     
  4. Tim May

    Tim May Well-Known Member 15+ year member Premium Member

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    On my visit there in 2009, St, Augustine Alligator Farm claimed to have every recognised species of crocodilian.

    Given the various ongoing changes in crocodile taxonomy, I expect that collection is now missing a few species but it is certainly the most comprehensive set crocodilians that I've ever seen.
     
  5. bongorob

    bongorob Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    My list, locations and dates given if known

    Crocodylidae;Alligatorinae
    AMERICAN ALLIGATOR (Alligator mississippiensis)
    CHINESE ALLIGATOR (Alligator sinensis) London Zoo 1988
    SPECTACLED CAIMAN (Caiman crocodilus)
    BROWN CAIMAN (Caiman fuscus) Blackbrook Zoo 2007 (some doubt as to what this was - labelled as fusucs, but I think it was crocodilus)
    BROAD-FRONTED CAIMAN (Caiman latirostris) Crocodiles of the World 2011
    YACARE CAIMAN (Caiman yacare) Blackpool Zoo 2000
    BLACK CAIMAN (Maleosuchus niger) Crocodiles of the World 2011
    CUVIER'S DWARF CAIMAN (Paleosuchus palpebrosus)
    SCHNEIDER'S DWARF CAIMAN (Paleosuchus trigonotus) Crocodiles of the World 2011

    Crocodylidae;Crocodylinae
    AMERICAN CROCODILE (Crocodylus acutus) Welsh Mountain Zoo 1984
    JOHNSTON'S CROCODILE (Crocodylus johnstoni) Chester Zoo 1980
    PHILIPPINE CROCODILE (Crocodylus mindorensis) Chester Zoo 2009
    MORELET'S CROCODILE (Crocodylus moreletii) Cotswold Wildlife Park 2006
    NILE CROCODILE (Crocodylus niloticus)
    EAST AFRICAN NILE CROCODILE (Crocdylus niloticus africanus)
    SOUTH AFRICAN NILE CROCODILE(Crocodylus niloticus cowani) Crocodiles of the World 2011
    MUGGER CROCODILE (Crocodylus palustris) Bristol Zoo 1986
    SALTWATER CROCODILE (Crocodylus porosus) Paignton Zoo 2008
    CUBAN CROCODILE (Crocodylus rhombifer) Crocodiles of the World 2011
    SIAMESE CROCODILE (Crocodyklus siamensis) Crocodiles of the World 2011
    WEST AFRICAN NILE CROCODILE (Crocodylus suchus) Dublin Zoo 2009
    SLENDER-SNOUTED CROCODILE (Mecistops cataphractus) Colchester Zoo1994
    DWARF CROCODILE WEST AFRICA 1 (Osteolaemus sp. nova.) Whipsnade Zoo
    NORTHERN DWARF CROCODILE (Osteolaemus tetraspis) Chester Zoo
    CONGO DWARF CROCODILE (Osteolaemus osborni) Chester Zoo

    Gavialidae;Tomistominae

    FALSE GAVIAL (Tomistoma schlegelii) Chester Zoo 1979
     
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    Cuban Crocodile- Colchester, 2015
    Tomistoma- Chester, 2015
    Freshwater Crocodile- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Morelet's Crocodile- Cotswolds, 2015
    Philippine Crocodile- Chester, 2009
    Saltwater Crocodile- Paignton, 2016
    Siamese Crocodile- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Slender-Snouted Crocodile- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Nile Crocodile- West Midlands Safari Park, 2013
    Desert Crocodile- Dublin, 2015
    West African Dwarf Crocodile- Bristol, 2013
    American Alligator- West Midlands Safari Park, 2013
    Black Caiman- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Broad-Snouted Caiman- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Chinese Alligator- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Cuvier's Dwarf Crocodile- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Smooth Fronted Caiman- Crocodiles of the World, 2016
    Yacare Caiman- Blackpool, 2016
    Spectacled Caiman- Chester, 2011
     
  7. Komodo99

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    I forgot to put this on my list but I saw the two American Alligators at Welsh Mountain Zoo last year.
     
  8. bongorob

    bongorob Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    ZG has advised me that the brown caiman I have listed as seen at Blackbrook is a subspecies of spectacled caiman, and that the identification was correct. I consider ZG's knowledge of the order Crocodilia to be excellent so I appreciate his input.
     
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  9. Komodo99

    Komodo99 Well-Known Member

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    For those who have seen Saltwater Crocodiles in particular in captivity,what is the best exhibit you saw them in?

    My ranking would go
    Australian Reptile Park because of the size of the enclosure,paired with nice weather you will see the croc and it is a big one.
    Sydney Aquarium
    From memory,I only remember seeing one adult and it was moderately large but had the enclosure all to itself.It was being fed at the time and the keeper had a large fish as food and a shield to keep the croc back as they were getting the croc to show off for the crowd.I was lucky to be right at the front of the crowd when the croc lunged forward and grabbed the fish.

    Photos can be found on the media page.
     
  10. Water Dragon

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    For me (In no particular order):
    American Alligator: Chester Zoo, Welsh Mountain Zoo
    West African Dwarf Crocodile: Chester Zoo, Amazon World, Blue Planet
    Philippine Crocodile: Chester Zoo
    Spectacled Caiman: Chester Zoo, Amazon World, Stapeley Water Gardens
    West African Crocodile: Copenhagen Zoo (previously thought to be Nile Crocodile)
    Yacare Caiman: Blackpool Zoo
    Morelet's Crocodile: Knowsley Safari Park
    Smooth-Fronted Caiman: Salzburg Zoo
    False Gharial: Chester Zoo
    Cuvior's Dwarf Caiman: Blue Planet
    Fake Crocodile: South Lakes Wild Animal Park

    This is all of them but I am so sure that I have forgotten something.
     
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    According to Zootierliste,Dublin Zoo have held Desert Crocodiles(Crocodylus Suchus) since 2015

    Can this source be proven true or is it another mistake of the website?
     
  12. MagpieGoose

    MagpieGoose Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Nope it's true, Dublin do have Desert Crocodile.
     
  13. Komodo99

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    Thank you.
     
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    Well the date is a mistake,but everything else is correct!
     
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    bongorob Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    so when did they obtain them, did I see them in 2009?
     
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    Yes they had them then!
     
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    bongorob Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    So when did they arrive?
     
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    Although I can't say exactly when they arrived at Dublin, it was many years ago: 1990s or 2000(decade). They were, just like Copenhagen's (they're on long-term loan from there), originally believed to be Nile. Genetic testing of questionable "Nile" crocs in European zoos to identify the newly recognized West African/desert was only initiated a few years ago, around 2012-13. By now most (if not all) of the reportedly questionable have been tested, but since Nile are kept at numerous places, including some without larger scientific departments, it is possible that more "hidden" West African/desert are out there.
     
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    ShonenJake13 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I'm not going to go into specifics of which species I've seen where, but I'll say which I've seen and which I haven't, with one place I remember seeing them at.

    Using TLD's template....

    Crocodylus acutus
    Crocodylus intermedius
    Crocodylus johnsoni

    Crocodylus mindorensis -
    London
    Crocodylus moreletii
    Crocodylus niloticus -
    wild (South Africa)
    Crocodylus novaeguineae
    Crocodylus palustris

    Crocodylus porosus -
    wild (Borneo)
    Crocodylus rhombifer - Colchester
    Crocodylus siamensis
    Crocodylus suchus -
    Artis
    Mecistops cataphractus - Colchester
    Osteolaemus tetraspis - Whipsnade
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    Gavialis gangeticus
    Tomistoma schlegelii -
    Chester
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    Alligator mississippiensis -
    Loro Parque
    Alligator sinensis - London
    Caiman crocodilus - Chester
    Caiman latirostris - Burgers' Zoo
    Caiman yacare - Burgers' Zoo
    Melanosuchus niger
    Paleosuchus palpebrosus -
    London
    Paleosuchus trigonatus

    A visit to Crocodiles of the World that I have planned this year should sort me for most of the others, plus trips to Prague and Plzen.
     
  20. Vision

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    Since everyone's doing it now :D

    Crocodylus acutus
    Crocodylus intermedius

    Crocodylus johnsoni -
    Wild (Australia)
    Crocodylus mindorensis - Kölner Zoo
    Crocodylus moreletii - Krokodýlí Zoo Praha
    Crocodylus niloticus - Wild (South Africa)
    Crocodylus novaeguineae - Berlin Zoologischer Garten
    Crocodylus palustris
    Crocodylus porosus - Wild (Australia and Singapore)
    Crocodylus rhombifer - Krokodýlí Zoo Praha
    Crocodylus siamensis - Krokodýlí Zoo Praha
    Crocodylus suchus - Dublin Zoo
    Mecistops cataphractus - Diergaarde Blijdorp
    Osteolaemus tetraspis - Zoo Leipzig
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    Gavialis gangeticus
    - Singapore Zoo
    Tomistoma schlegelii - Natura Artis Magistra
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    Alligator mississippiensis -
    Pairi Daiza
    Alligator sinensis - Shanghai Zoo
    Caiman crocodilus - ZOO Antwerpen
    Caiman latirostris - Burgers' Zoo
    Caiman yacare
    Melanosuchus niger

    Paleosuchus palpebrosus -
    Diergaarde Blijdorp
    Paleosuchus trigonatus - ZOO Plzeň

    Should be seeing Yacare caiman in September in Montreal, but not quite a full set yet after that!