thought id'e move this one - continued from the melbournes thai elephants thread... zooboy - i have no idea what your on about. your giving very "safe" examples of when euthanasia is acceptable ie; when an animal is sick and untreatable, saying how much you respect each individual animal at the zoo, yadda yadda, then continue to comment on its perks in a way that almost condones its use in zoos. if you think there is a place for it as an effective population management tool specifically, then mention a situation in which you think its acceptable (and spare us the sick animal scenario - we are talking about destroying healthy animals simply for space requiremnets here). do you know why i'm so ademantly against zoos euthanising healthy stock? not becuse i place a higher value on a domestic cow as i do an inbred zoo-born eland, but becuse i think if zoos continue the practise and do it more openly, its going to reflet very badly on them indeed. it would expose the whole notion of a conservation ark as a complete farce because animals are being destroyed rather than released into the wild. i for one would have absolutely no respect whatsoever for a zoo that euthanised surplus animals either at birth or later in life. yes i know that technically a a breeding program, even of an endangered species can produce "surplus" animals. i understand that its a particuarly promenent issue when you have skewed sex-ratios like we so often see in rhino or giraffe. but most people don't understand how this stuff works. the zoos are openeing themselves up for a flood of criticism and fairly directed criticism at that too. how can the zoo continue to boast at the quality of care some its animals recieve when others are indeed "executed"? they can't. i say that if zoos ever dop find themselves in the narrow-minded predicament where they feel the urge to destroy otherwise, healthy, surplus stock, then maybe they should wonder why the %@&* they feel the need to breed them in the first place. i know the issue has arisen in zoo circles before but personally i hope that zoo management has enough foresight to see what a PR nightmare the whole issue would become, even if they do find it possible to put aside the distorted ethics of doing so..