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Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by Kudu21, 17 Jan 2010.

  1. Arizona Docent

    Arizona Docent Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    As to why the consolidation (not just hoofstock, but many classes of animals) it is to sustain long term breeding programs. For the genetic diversity to maintain herds into the future, you have to have a large number, which requires multiple zoos working with any given species.

    As to what incentive there would be for people to travel to zoos, you seem to be under the misconception that us ZooChat fanatics represent the general public. I can guarantee you that (outside of this website) hardly anyone plans their vacations around zoo visits. Zoos generally cater to local or regional visitors, which is in fact their demographic.
     
  2. ungulate nerd

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    i have changed my mind on the hoofstock collection for my future zoo here is the list, its a tad more modest and un-ambitious, please tell me what you think of this collection idea

    ELK GROTTOS-

    Fallow deer
    Persian fallow deer
    Axis deer
    Barasingha
    Elds deer
    Pere david's deer
    Hog deer
    Calamian deer
    Bawean deer
    Malayan sambar
    Javan rusa
    Visayan spotted deer
    Thorolds deer
    Elk
    Bactrian deer
    Altai wapiti
    Barbary red deer
    Manchurian sika deer
    Mandarin sika deer
    Vietnamese sika deer
    Formosan sika deer

    MUNTJAC GROTTOS-

    Tufted deer
    Reeves muntjac
    Indian muntjac
    Chinese water deer
    Siberian musk deer

    BUFFALO GROTTOS-

    Asian water buffalo
    Lowland anoa
    Mountain anoa
    Javan banteng
    Gaur
    Gayal
    Domestic yak
    European bison
    Plains bison
    Wood bison
    Cape buffalo
    African forest buffalo
    Watusi cattle

    CAMEL GROTTOS-

    Dromedary camel
    Bactrian camel
    Guanaco
    Llama
    Alpaca
    Vicuna

    HORSE GROTTOS-

    Prezwalskis horse
    Kiang
    Persian onager
    Somali wild ass
    Grants zebra
    Hartmanns mountain zebra
    Grevys zebra
    Chapmans zebra
    Damara zebra

    GAZELLE GROTTOS-

    Springbok
    Blackbuck
    Gerenuk
    Grants gazelle
    Mhorr gazelle
    Addra gazelle
    Soemmerrings gazelle
    Red fronted gazelle
    Thomsons gazelle
    Cuviers gazelle
    Slender horned gazelle
    Dorcas gazelle
    Goitered gazelle
    Spekes gazelle
    Saiga

    DEER GROTTOS-

    Pampas deer
    Marsh deer
    Mule deer
    White tailed deer
    Southern pudu
    Woodland caribou
    Red brocket
    Gray brocket
    Roe deer

    GORAL GROTTOS-

    Rocky mountain goat
    Central chinese goral
    Japanese serow
    Alpine chamois

    ORYX GROTTOS-

    Addax
    Sable antelope
    Roan antelope
    Beisa oryx
    Fringe eared oryx
    Gemsbok
    Arabian oryx
    Scimitar horned oryx

    SHEEP GROTTOS-

    Dalls sheep
    Desert bighorn sheep
    Rocky mountain bighorn sheep
    Siberian bighorn sheep
    Armenian mouflon
    European mouflon
    Transcaspian urial
    Afghan urial
    Aoudad
    Bharal

    IBEX GROTTOS-

    Alpine ibex
    Siberian ibex
    Spanish ibex
    Nubian ibex
    West caucasian tur
    East caucasian tur
    Himalayan tahr
    Nilgiri tahr
    Cretan wild goat
    Tadjik markhor
    Sichuan takin
    Mishmi takin
    Golden takin
    Musk ox

    KUDU GROTTOS-

    Nilgai
    Chousingha
    Common eland
    Giant eland
    Nyala
    Lowland bongo
    Mountain bongo
    Sitatunga
    Bushbuck
    Greater kudu
    Lesser kudu

    IMPALA GROTTOS-

    Common impala
    Black faced impala
    Defassa waterbuck
    Elippsen waterbuck
    Uganda kob
    Nile lechwe
    Red lechwe
    Kafue lechwe
    Mountain reedbuck
    Vaal rhebok

    WILDEBEEST GROTTOS-

    Topi
    Bontebok
    Blesbok
    Blue wildebeest
    Black wildebeest
    Hartebeest
    Hirola
    Red hartebeest

    DIK DIK GROTTOS-

    Royal antelope
    Suni
    Gunthers dik dik
    Cavendishs dik dik
    Klipspringer
    Oribi
    Steenbok

    DUIKER GROTTOS-

    Yellow backed duiker
    Jentinks duiker
    Black duiker
    Zebra duiker
    Red flanked duiker
    Red forest duiker
    Blue duiker
    Maxwells duiker
    Common duiker
    Bay duiker

    GIRAFFE GROTTOS-

    Giraffe
    Okapi
    Pronghorn

    CHEVROTAIN HOUSE-

    Greater malay chevrotain
    Lesser malay chevrotain

    RHINO GROTTOS-

    Indian rhino
    Sumatran rhino
    Southern white rhino
    Eastern black rhino

    TAPIR GROTTOS-

    Bairds tapir
    Mountain tapir
    Malayan tapir
    Brazilian tapir

    HIPPO GROTTOS-

    River hippo
    Pygmy hippo

    PIG GROTTOS-

    Common warthog
    Desert warthog
    Southern bush pig
    Red river hog
    Visayan warty pig
    Bornean bearded pig
    Central european wild boar
    North sulawesi babirusa

    PECCARY GROTTOS-

    Collared peccary
    White lipped peccary
    Chacoan peccary

    I found 752 acres down the street from my aunts house for this collection i plan on exhibeting
    if you could be so kind as to tell me what you think of this collection, id love feedback
    thanks :)

    here is a link to this other park i am planning on building http://www.facebook.com/pages/Build-this-zoo-Fairview-Park-Zoo/303263936368288
     
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  3. tschandler71

    tschandler71 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Bad new guys. Birmingham Zoo lost their greater kudu and their sitatunga. They went to another zoo. Their "hoofstock" collection now consists of giraffes, zebra, and one thompson gazelle. And they decided to give all the new Trails part 2 space to the elephants/guest amenities instead of new hoofstock space.
     
  4. ungulate nerd

    ungulate nerd Well-Known Member

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    @ tschandler71, what kind of zebra ??? a hartmaans mountain, Damara, Chapmans, Grants, or Grevys

    and animals come fist in my book, so elephant space i could understand, but guest ammenities, REALLY ???

    in my opinion hoofstock should fill the space, like maybe get a blackbuck, armenian mouflon, takin or something because i really miss diverse hoofstock collections

    my fondest memories at the san diego zoo were in horn and hoof mesa, i remember on my last trip to the san diego zoo, eating a veggie burger at sabertooth grill and litteraly crying and telling my mom that we were sitting in the old giraffe paddock

    like i said, we need to some how do something about this, phasing out of hoofstock isnt right, i dont care if the general public dosnt find them interesting, a zoo is supposed to show the guests what animals are interesting not indulge there moans and cries and ignorant opinions !
     
  5. tschandler71

    tschandler71 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Well see if you go to the website you will the the elephant layout that opened this year. Phase 2 was supposed to be opening in the spring and would feature expanded yards for the hoofstock etc. I went today and the Kudu (my favorite) are gone. The keeper said they went to another zoo and there are no plans to add another species. This a zoo that a decade ago had gemsbok nyala grants gazelle tommy gazelle kudu sitatunga and topi. Now I know they lost most of that when they lost AZA accredidation back in 2000 (they have it now) but I guess it is an AZA thing as far as space goes.

    Biggest crowd I have ever seen at the zoo and it was new years eve (it helps that it was beautiful today). Anyway, the lone thompson was in the Kudu pen and there ARE NO PLANS TO REPLACE. Serious folks, do zoos get pecking order on animals. It seems like every time we get something cool it goes to a bigger zoo.

    The Zebra are common Grant's Zebra.

    The new All bull herd is great and helps with attendence but that the expense of other species?
     
  6. ungulate nerd

    ungulate nerd Well-Known Member

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    were they lesser kudu or greater kudu ?
    and btw i would really love to see those other ungualtes come back !!!
     
  7. tschandler71

    tschandler71 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    It was a male and female kudu with a 1 year old female baby. ISIS says that the male is still at Birmingham though just not on exhibit. I wish there was a "hotsheet" for the zoo industry so I would know where animals leave/go.

    I still haven't figured out which Zoo that Ricko the black rhino went to.
     
  8. ungulate nerd

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    Reid park zoo-

    Reticulated giraffe
    Grevys zebra
    Llama
    Visayan warty pig
    Southern white rhino
    Bairds tapir

    what are some ungulates that the reid park zoo no longer has ?
     
  9. ungulate nerd

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    Tampa's Lowry park zoo-

    Bay duiker
    Blue duiker
    Common eland
    Crown duiker
    Dromedary camel
    Gerenuk
    Greater kudu
    Grevys zebra
    Hartmans mountain zebra
    Kenyan impala
    Lesser kudu
    Okapi
    Pygmy hippo
    Red river hog
    Reticulated giraffe
    Royal antelope
    Desert warthog
    Steenbok
    Waterbuck
    White rhino
    Babirusa
    Indian rhino
    Lowland anoa
    Malayan tapir
    Reeves muntjac
    Tufted deer
    Visayan warty pig
    Bornean bearded pig
    Key deer
    Llama
    Domestic goat

    What are some ungulates that the lowry park zoo no longer has ?
     
  10. ungulate nerd

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    Santa Ana Zoo-

    Sika deer (phased out)
    Alpaca (Phased out)
    Llama (phased out)
    Collared peccary (phased out )
    Mule deer ( phased out)
    Dromedary camel
    Guanaco
    Gunthers dik dik ( phased out)
    Domestic horse
    Domestic sheep
    Domestic goat
    Domestic cattle

    what are some ungulates santa ana zoo no longer has ?
     
  11. ungulate nerd

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    Orange county zoo-

    Mule deer
    Collared peccary
    Domestic goat
    Domestic donkey
    Domestic pig
    Domestic sheep

    what are some ungulates orange county zoo no longer has ?
     
  12. ungulate nerd

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    Santa Barbara Zoo-

    Baringo giraffe
    Plains zebra (phased out)
    River hippo (phased out)
    Bairds tapir (phased out)

    What other ungulates did santa barbara zoo have that they no longer have ?
     
  13. ungulate nerd

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    Miami Metro Zoo-

    Arabian oryx
    Gaur
    Onager
    Goitered gazelle
    Gemsbok
    Nilgai
    Sable antelope
    Waterbuck
    Thomsons gazelle
    Grants gazelle
    Giraffe
    Okapi
    Grevys zebra
    Black duiker
    Pygmy hippo
    Indian rhino
    Black rhino
    Muntjac
    Malayan tapir
    Red river hog
    Warthog
    Bairds tapir
    Bactrian camel
    Dromedary camel
    Guanaco
    Anoa
    Giant eland
    Bongo
    Addax
    Addra gazelle
    Nyala

    what are some hoofstock the miami zoo no longer has ?
     
  14. ungulate nerd

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    Denver zoo-

    Indian rhino (coming soon)
    Black rhino
    Malayan tapir
    Cape buffalo
    Common warthog
    Waterbuck
    Dalls sheep
    Gerenuk ( phased out)
    Dromedary camel
    Bactrian camel
    Grevys zebra
    River hippo
    Mishmi takin
    Okapi
    Musk ox
    Reindeer
    Plains bison
    Przewalskis horse
    Red river hog
    Rocky mountain bighorn sheep
    Reticulated giraffe
    Elk (phased out)

    what are other species the denver zoo used to house but no longer has ?
     
  15. ungulate nerd

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    Phoenix Zoo-

    Arabian oryx
    Grevys zebra
    Mhorr gazelle
    Reticulated giraffe
    White rhino
    Calamian deer
    Visayan warty pig

    what are some ungulates the phoenix zoo no longer has ?
     
  16. ungulate nerd

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    Sequoia Park Zoo-

    American bison (phased out)
    Nyala (phased out )
    Dromedary camel (phased out)
    Chacoan peccary

    what other ungulates did the sequoia park zoo have ?
     
  17. Arizona Docent

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    The Phoenix Zoo used to have a great sitatunga exhibit with a stream flowing through it. Now it has chacoan peccary I think?

    Reid Park Zoo used to have greater kudu and nyala together. Then for a while we just had the nyala. They were shipped to San Diego Safari Park when we moved the rhino into their yard.

    As for San Diego Horn and Hoof Mesa, I always thought it would make more sense for them to focus their antelope collection at the Safari Park and smaller animals at the zoo. Of course, the variety of hoofstock at the Safari Park has gone way down too, so it is really a bummer for people like Ungulate Nerd. I was at the Safari Park two days ago and they do not even have zebras in the field anymore. It is just nothing like what it used to be.
     
  18. Ituri

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    Phoenix currently has the following:
    Grevy's zebra
    southern white rhinoceros
    common warthog
    Visayan warty pig
    collared peccary
    reticulated giraffe
    Masai giraffe
    pronghorn
    Calamian deer
    Mexican red brocket deer
    Speke's gazelle
    southern gerenuk
    Kirk's dik-dik
    Thomson's gazelle
    Cape eland
    Arabian oryx
    Mexican bighorn sheep

    They have also formerly had at different times:
    Brazilian tapir
    Chacoan peccary (may still be there off exhibit)
    Reeve's muntjac deer
    mhorr gazelle
    Zulu suni
    sitatunga
    Nubian ibex
    common waterbuck
     
  19. reduakari

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    Don't forget the Blackbuck that used to share an enclosure with Asian elephants!
     
  20. Ituri

    Ituri Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    How could I forget those? Hmm, now I want pancakes. ;)