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  1. Arizona Docent

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    Well apparently I did not see the black scoter, or if I did it was a different speck than the one I thought. Attached is as tight a crop as I can make from my not-very-telephoto picture of the one that I thought the birdwatcher with the binoculars was pointing out to me. But I did a quick Google Images search (since a duck is a duck to me) and black scoters are actually black whereas this unknown duck has a lot of white.
     

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  2. jbnbsn99

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    Sorry it's been a few days since the last update. Work has been ever so much fun.

    We met up with AD and our mystery guest (who shall remain nameless, for evermore... wait... I'm not teaching Poe this week) around 10ish, and we headed into the zoo.

    Reid Park Zoo is small, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. It is a classic zoo with most of your basic species. Honestly, I can find nothing much wrong with this lovely zoo at all. The highlight of the zoo is the new elephant expansion. A lot has been said about it on here, so I will just give my few comments. After having been around Dallas' new exhibit, I can help but thinking... meh. It's a large expanse, which is great for the animals to roam about, but isn't much that I find "awe-inspiring." Sight lines are mostly through cable fences. The nicest looking exhibit (of the two visible yards) was far from the one visitor viewing area. Overall, a solid exhibit, but could have a lot more going for it.

    My favorite exhibit, hands down was the exhibit for Rhino and Speke's Gazelle. This exhibit, just by the combination of the two species was exciting and dynamic. Add into that the multiple viewing points and the excellent design, it is hands down the single best exhibit in the zoo (in my humble opinion).

    The recent expansion of the former Polar Bear exhibit (now for 2 Grizzly Bears) comes across much better in person than it does in pictures. It was far bigger than I expected. Not the biggest I've seen, but by no means the smallest.

    I got to see two new mammal species at RPZ; the Visayan Warty Pig and the Spotted-Necked Otter, but a delight to see. The otter was on her fist day on exhibit, and was highly active and entertaining.

    Overall, Reid Park is a well-balance and lovely zoo. I'd recommend it, and I look forward to the plans it has in its future.
     
  3. Arizona Docent

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    Yes, I definitely concur.
     
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    I wouldn't call a Spotted-Necked Otter a basic zoo species;)

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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    well neither did jbnbsn99.....;)
     
  6. Arizona Docent

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    Am I mistaken, or wasn't that your first baird's tapir as well?
     
  7. jbnbsn99

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    No, I had seen one before at the Texas Zoo in Victoria, TX.
     
  8. Ituri

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    For those who are interested, inspired by geomorph's San Diego thread, I decided to do an exhibit by exhibit breakdown of some of the zoo's I've been to lately. Here is Reid Park Zoo:

    REID PARK ZOO

    ASIA
    1. White-handed Gibbon
    2. Malayan Tiger
    3. Malayan Sun Bear
    4. Visayan Warty Pig
    5. Sarus Crane

    AFRICA
    6. Grevy’s Zebra, Ostrich, East African Crowned Crane
    7. Leopard Tortoise
    8. Radiated Tortoise
    9. Southern White Rhinoceros, Speke’s Gazelle
    10. Giraffe
    11. South African Bush Elephant
    12. Spotted-necked Otter
    13. African Lion
    14. Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur

    ADAPTATIONS
    15. Grizzly Bear
    16. Aldabra Tortoise
    17. Lion-tailed Macaque
    18. Chilean Flamingo
    19. Flight Connection Aviary
    a. Mountain Bamboo Partridge, Moluccan Friarbird
    b. Sulfur-crested Cockatoo
    c. Trumpeter Hornbill
    d. Great Hornbill
    e. Hottentot Teal, Marbled Teal, Great Argus Pheasant, Blue-bellied Roller, Bearded Barbet Spotted Dikkop, Violaceous Turaco, Eclectus Parrot, Luzon Bleeding-heart Dove, Bruce’s Green Pigeon, Blue Crowned Pigeon, Nicobar Pigeon, Wattled Starling, Emerald Starling, Grosbeak Starling, White-rumped Shama, Taveta Golden Weaver
    20. Education Center
    a. Green Tree Python
    b. Inland Bearded Dragon
    c. Marsh Turtle, Western Painted Turtle, Common Musk Turtle, Mosquitofish

    SOUTH AMERICA
    21. Dwarf Caiman, Amazon Yellow-spotted River Turtle, Black Pacu, Suckermouth Catfish
    22. Empty
    23. Military Macaw, Blue-and-yellow Macaw
    24. King Vulture, Red-footed Tortoise
    25. Elegant-crested Tinamou, Yellow-knobbed Curassow, White-faced Whistling-duck, Wood Duck, Rosybill Pochard, Boat-billed Heron, Scarlet Ibis, Roseate Spoonbill, Red-capped Cardinal, Blue-and-yellow Tanager
    26. Andean Bear
    27. Giant Anteater
    28. Guanaco, Black-necked Swan
    29. Llama, Greater Rhea, Galapagos Tortoise
    30. Yellow-footed Tortoise
    31. Capybara, Rosybill Pochard, Speckled Teal
    32. Baird’s Tapir
    33. Jaguar
     
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  9. Arizona Docent

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    Very impressive! (Of course our small zoo is a bit easier than San Diego). Still that is an amazingly complete list, with only a couple tortoises missing. In African, there is a yard next to leopard tortoise with radiated tortoise. In South America, there is a yard in front of capybara with yellow footed and red footed tortoise.
     
  10. DavidBrown

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    Doesn't Reid Park have tamanduas also?
     
  11. Arizona Docent

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    Sadly, not on exhibit.
     
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    I did forget those ones. Thanks Arizona Docent!
     
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    Ituri, thank you for the list of Reid Park Zoo animals. Despite our laments that collections are increasingly becoming identical from zoo to zoo, it is interesting to note that about 35 of the species at Reid Park Zoo are not on exhibit at San Diego Zoo!
     
  14. jbnbsn99

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    The museum that's a zoo

    From Reid Park, we headed across town to a very different kind of zoo (well, after lunch at a nearby Jack in the Box).

    Over the years, I've heard many things about the Arizona Sonora Desert Museum. Aside from its pretentious title, everything I had read and heard told me it is one of the zoological highlights in the world. I still didn't know what to fully expect.

    ASDM is the most limited zoological collection in existence. It only focuses on flora and fauna (and geology, and history, and culture) of the Sonoran Desert. I wish there were more places like the ASDM. The narrow focus really is superb.

    To give a run-down and full review is probably beyond my scope. I would suggest reading snowleopard's review. Or maybe I'll make ituri write the review for this section. :D

    What I will comment on is the overall vibe of the place. First off, I think every zoo should have the pin-point detail that ASDM has. The museum element is perfect. I've thought this for years - you cannot exhibit animals in isolation. Let me say that again - you cannot exhibit animals in isolation.

    Without the element of environment, we cannot appreciate the animal.
    Without the element of time, we cannot appreciate the animal.
    Without the element of culture, we cannot appreciate the animal.

    ASDM makes every effort to put every animal in the context of time, environment, culture, geology, etc unlike any place I've ever seen. I WANT MORE!

    I have only a few complaints of the place. The cat canyon is woefully outdated compared to the rest of the facility (plus, it needs more cat species). There are a few major species missing, that I feel could really add to the overall "punch" of the facility. Missing were Mule Deer, Pronghorn, and Jaguar. The lack of these charismatic megafauna is sorely missed. The focus on the small animals is highly commended, but that needs to be balanced with keystone species.

    A jaguar exhibit located in a new "sky island" exhibit would be a near-perfect climax to the near-perfect zoo.

    The setting of the ASDM inside (or just on the edge) of the Saguaro National Forest is magical. I cannot imagine a more perfect setting for this place.

    Oh yea, I birded there too. I got 5 new species there.

    I guess I should tell the story of one of the birds.
    As we were leaving in the parking lot, ituri looked at me and said: "You know, there's one bird I wished we would have gotten here. A phainopepla."
    Me: "Maybe we can get it back in Phoenix."
    Ituri: "Nope, they aren't that far north."
    Me: "What's that bird up ahead in the tree?"
    Ituri: "Could it be?"
    Me: "There's your Phainopepla!"

    And there it was, posing for us in all it's glory. The bird gods smiled on us that one time.
     
  15. Ituri

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    After you left I found three more Phainopepla in the desert east of Phoenix, guess I was wrong :D
     
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    Continuing what I did for Reid Park, here is my attempt at Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum. This was a much larger challenge. Two of the areas are only approximations based on faulty memory, as I was unable to record the species there. Life on the Rocks, which has horrible signage and is very confusing about what animals you could even expect to find there, and the Warden Aquarium, which in true aquarium fashion has those rotating electronic signs that take 15 minutes to cycle through every fish in the tank (my attention span wouldn't allow me to record those). So I took the species list from their website and added a couple I noticed that weren't on it.

    ARIZONA-SONORA DESERT MUSEUM

    REPTILES, AMPHIIBIAN & INVERTEBRATE HALL
    1. Spiny-tailed Iguana, San Esteban Island Chuckwalla
    2. Western Diamondback Rattlesnake
    3. Arizona Black Rattlesnake
    4. Mojave Rattlesnake
    5. Sidewinder
    6. Desert Rosy Boa
    7. Western Hognose Snake
    8. California Kingsnake (amelanistic)
    9. Glossy Snake
    10. Baja Rat Snake
    11. Taylor’s Cantil
    12. Arizona Mountain Kingsnake
    13. Red Coachwhip
    14. Tiger Rattlesnake
    15. Green Rat Snake
    16. Speckled Rattlesnake
    17. Eastern Collared Lizard
    18. Brown Vine Snake
    19. Black-tailed Rattlesnake
    20. Sonoran Desert Toad, Great Plains Toad
    21. Green Toad, Red-spotted Toad
    22. Woodhouse’s Toad
    23. Sonoran Green Toad
    24. Tiger Salamander
    25. Empty
    26. Marine Toad
    27. Fishing Spider
    28. Arizona Blond Tarantula
    29. Black Widow Spider
    30. Net-web Spider
    31. Vinegaroon
    32. Giant Hairy Scorpion
    33. Funnel-web Spider
    34. Arizona Bark Scorpion
    35. Sonoran Giant Centipede
    36. Short Horn Walking Stick
    37. Large Milkweed Bug
    38. Bird Grasshopper
    39. Velvet Ant
    40. Blue Death Feigning Beetle
    41. Isopod
    42. Desert Millipede
    43. Mexican Fireleg Tarantula


    EARTH SCIENCE CENTER
    44. Crayfish

    MOUNTAIN WOODLAND
    45. Thick-billed Parrot
    46. Mountain Lion
    47. American Black Bear
    48. Coue’s White-tailed Deer, Merriam’s Wild Turkey
    49. American Kestrel
    50. Mexican Gray Wolf
    51. Western Scrub-jay

    DESERT GRASSLANDS
    52. Desert Box Turtle
    53. Prairie Rattlesnake, Mojave Rattlesnake
    54. Western Hognose Snake
    55. Desert Massasauga
    56. Burrowing Owl
    57. Stripe-tailed Scorpion
    58. Arizona Blond Tarantula
    59. Long-nosed Snake
    60. Great Blue Heron
    61. Black-tailed Prairie Dog

    LIFE on the ROCKS (approximation)
    62. Elf Owl
    63. White-winged Dove, Band-tailed Pigeon, Lowland Leopard Frog, Canyon Treefrog, Red-spotted Toad, Longfin Dace, Speckled Dace, Sonoran Sucker, Loach Minnow
    64. Harris’s Antelope Squirrel
    65. Northern Hognose Skunk
    66. Sonoran Desert Toad
    67. Rosy Boa
    68. Glossy Snake
    69. Greater Roadrunner
    70. Desert Night Lizard
    71. Giant Crab Spider
    72. Arizona Blond Tarantula
    73. Speckled Rattlesnake, Tiger Rattlesnake
    74. Black-tailed Rattlesnake
    75. Desert Millipede
    76. Leaf-cutter Ants
    77. Tailless Whipscorpion
    78. Western Diamondback Rattlesnake
    79. Black Widow Spider
    80. Arizona Bark Scorpion

    ARIZONA UPLAND
    81. Coyote
    82. Collared Peccary
    83. Common Chuckwalla, Eastern Collared Lizard

    CAT CANYON
    84. North American Porcupine
    85. Ocelot
    86. Bobcat
    87. Gray Fox

    RIPARIAN CORRIDOR
    88. White-nosed Coati
    89. American Beaver, Colorado Pikeminnow
    90. Northern River Otter
    91. Speckled Dace
    92. Bonytail Chub
    93. Desert Pupfish
    94. Gila Topminnow
    95. Sinaloan Cichlid
    96. Desert Bighorn Sheep

    AVIARY AREA
    97. Desert Tortoise
    98. Black-bellied Whistling-duck, Mallard, Gambel’s Quail, Masked Bobwhite, Costa’s Hummingbird, Lilac-crowned Parrot, White-winged Dove, Inca Dove, Mourning Dove, Steller’s Jay, Verdin, Hermit Thrush, Rufous-backed Robin, Curve-billed Thrasher, Black-headed Grosbeak, Northern Cardinal, Pyrrhuloxia, Western Tanager, Great-tailed Grackle
    99. Costa’s Hummingbird, Anna’s Hummingbird, Broad-billed Hummingbird, Broad-tailed Hummingbird

    LIFE UNDERGROUND
    100. Kit Fox
    101. Arizona Blond Tarantula
    102. Merriam’s Kangaroo-rat
    103. Sonoran Lyre Snake
    104. Western Spotted Skunk
    105. Western Banded Gecko
    106. Ringtail Cacomistle
    107. Night Snake
    108. Glossy Snake
    109. Desert Millipede

    WARDEN AQUARIUM (approximation)
    • Colorado Pikeminnow
    • Razorback Sucker
    • Apache Trout
    • Bonytail Chub
    • Flannelmouth Sucker
    • Roundtail Chub
    • Beautiful Shiner
    • Yaqui Chub
    • Yaqui Catfish
    • Mexican Stoneroller
    • Yaqui Topminnow
    • Sonoyta Pupfish
    • Rio Sonoyta Longfin Dace
    • Pacific Seahorse
    • Horn Shark
    • California Sea Hare
    • Pacific Boxfish
    • Longnose Butterflyfish
    • Guineafowl Puffer
    • Spotted Sharpnose Puffer
    • Spotted Garden Eel
    • Longnose Hawkfish
    • King Angelfish
    • Scrawled Filefish
    • Black Triggerfish
    • Rockmover Wrasse
    • Blue-spotted Jawfish
    • Popeye Catalufa
    • Tailspot Cardinalfish
    • Bigscale Soldierfish
    • Frogfish
    • Scorpionfish
    • Balloonfish
    • Starry Moray
    • Jewel Moray
    • Zebra Moray
    • Mexican Lookdown
    • Cortez Angelfish
    • Pacific Creole
    • Coral Hawkfish
    • Sunset Wrasse
    • Cortez Rainbow Wrasse
    • Achilles Tang
    • Barberfish
    • Convict Surgeonfish
    • Yellowtail Surgeonfish
    • Whitecheek Surgeonfish
    • Threebanded Butterflyfish
    • Moorish Idol

    Perhaps Arizona Docent can help me sort out Life on the Rocks a little better!
     
  17. jbnbsn99

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    Your attention span was far higher than mine was. I got extremely claustrophobic in most (all?) of the halls and had to leave pretty quickly. Because of this, I probably missed a few species. I never realized how badly claustrophobic I was until ASDM on a busy day.
     
  18. Arizona Docent

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    Very nice list for ASDM. Only thing I noticed is Life On The Rocks, number 69 Roadrunner should also have gila monster. (Unless it is no longer there, but every time I have gone since the exhibit opened there has always been one). Here is a photo of it in the large exhibit which elicited several replies: http://www.zoochat.com/541/worlds-best-gila-monster-exhibit-147114/
     
  19. Ituri

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    Thanks, I wasn't sure if the roadrunner shared the space with Gila Monsters or not (given their penchant for eating reptiles, but I suppose Gilas are big and tough enough to fend for themselves).
     
  20. Arizona Docent

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    (...........sound of crickets chirping..............)
    The thread has fallen asleep and we never got to hear about their final day. After the two Tucson zoos on Tuesday, I think they went to the Phoenix Zoo on Wednesday? Can we get a report?

    (While we are waiting, here are a pair of shots from the Reid Park visit to tide us over....)
     

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