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Mixed species enclosures and other changes for Burgers Zoo

Discussion in 'Speculative Zoo Design and Planning' started by Mr Gharial, 12 Sep 2020.

  1. Mr Gharial

    Mr Gharial Well-Known Member

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    Also, they have a tamandua walkthrough, and london zoo has one too. So I think we can make the tamandua enclosure in Burgers Night (SA) full walkthrough as well, or put it in the other walkthrough section and size up some of the other enclosures
     
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    Nasu animal kingdom also has a full walkthrough with shoebills and sitatunga

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    Small correction: pinioning birds is indeed banned in The Netherlands. Wing clipping is not, but it is pretty stressfull for the birds. That is also the reason that zoos in the Netherlands have been building aviaries in recent years for their pelicans or flamingos, for example.
     
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    I thought it was the same thing, now I regret looking it up
     
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    Are there any records of the Solomon island spiny monitor in captivity?

    Appearently Animal World & Snake Farm Zoo has them, but that's all I could find
     
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    Along with that, are there any monitor lizards in shared species enclosures? I know they're sometimes kept with iguanas, but could they be kept with smaller species of lizard?
     
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    Probably not because smaller lizards will be eaten
     
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    Well, the Solomon islands skink can reach a size of 81 cm, and I can't find a size of the solomon island spiny monitor. But they're a family of the mangrove monitor, and those can reach up to 120 cm (both with tail included).

    Appearently the monitors mainly feed on fish and eggs
     
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    Apperently tierpark Berlin does keep their tree kangaroos in a walkthrough, so maybe the ones in the New Guinea house can be free-roaming too?
     
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    What house are you talking about? Also in Tierpark, their walkthrough enclosure is shared with pademelons
     
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    I'm creating an unofficial expansion for Burgers Zoo in the Netherlands. I had an idea for a New Guinea house with free roaming tree kangaroos. But I couldn't find any other institutions that had them in a walkthrough
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    This is the current plan

    ("FRST DRG" is Indonesian forest dragon, "Python" is northern white-lipped python, and "turtle" is New Guinea snapping turtle)

    The forest dragon and python are both in terrariums, the snapping turtle is in a lowered enclosure. I don't know if the cassowaries and tree kangaroos will go well together, but depending on that their enclosure will either be open on the top, or full glass walls to the ceiling. They can't get to the tasmania section, but they can get to the dorcopsis / cuscus outside enclosure (which is netted)
     
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    Not sure Tree kangaroos and Cuscus will mix well together. Although very slow, tree kangaroo can be picky from what I’ve seen.
    Then, reasons their walktgrough is great in Berlin is because there is very little foliage, therefore they can be seen on the branches fairly easily. Also, their aerial path is limited, hence the good viewing opportunities
     
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    So leaving it free-roaming would be a bad idea?
     
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    Wouldn’t add any plue value to the exhibit in my opinion, except if it’s done really tierpark style
     
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    Then it's probably a bad idea, it's a smaller greenhouse
     
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    Would a mix of Eastern Rock Lobster (Jasus verreauxi) and Southern Rock Lobster (Jasus edwardsii) work? And would it be safe to add some medium-sized fish like Rainbow Cale and Herring Cale in with the rock lobsters?
     
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    I don't think lobsters would mix well, not sure about the fish

    Edit: nevermind, rock lobsters don't have pincers. I think they could be fine, but the is high risk of hybridisation
     
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    I don't think hybridisation would be an issue, most crustaceans are unlikely to breed unless you are trying to get them to breed.
     
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    Then it should be fine I think
     
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    Wrong thread, I think. ;)