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Discussion in 'Speculative Zoo Design and Planning' started by LowlandGorilla4, 27 Apr 2020.

  1. Batto

    Batto Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Never heard of the Hippotraginae being referred as such..
    Grazing antelope - Wikipedia

    The literal translation of the German trivial name of the roan antelope is "Horse antelope" (Pferdeantilope); I thought you were referring to that.
     
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    It's a name that's used pretty frequently for the group in English; Estes' "Behavior Guide to African Mammals" has a chapter titled "Horse Antelope," for example, and the genus name Hippotragus translates to "Horse Goat." If you'd never heard the term used before, it's very logical that your mind would immediately go to roan - the species name is equinus, after all.
     
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    No, the most logical step for my mind was the aforementioned native tongue association. ;)
     
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    Would the following work?
    Capybara
    Red-lored Amazon
    Golden-headed Manakin
    Helmeted Curassow
    Fiery-billed Aracari
    Red-rumped Agouti
    Sunbittern

    All in a 490 square meter aviary.
     
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    I don't think the Manakin will work, since tucans are known to eat smaller birds
     
  6. Neil chace

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    I'm skeptical about having both agoutis and capybaras. I'd recommend removing the agoutis and just having capybara as your rodent.
    Aracaris are quite a bit smaller than toucan though, so they are often used in a lot more mixed species exhibit. I wouldn't be overly concerned about aracaris in this mix, though I would be concerned if it was, say, a keel-billed toucan.
     
  7. Van Beal

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    Okay so just the Capybara would be enough. Would a primate mixed in work too? And I mean like squirrel monkey or tamarin of some sort, nothing too big.
     
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    Tamarins yes, Squirrel Monkeys, no.
     
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    I assume the squirrel monkeys would eat the manakins?
     
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    Agouti and capybara can work together - I've seen photos of zoos that have had them together. I almost tried that mix once myself, but was worried the agouti would be too vulnerable to predators in an open top exhibit, and too difficult to catch up each night.

    From my experience, I would not do squirrel monkey or tamarin with small, flying birds - and by small, I mean comparable to them in body size. Ducks, curassows, screamers, sure. Anything else, not worth it. I've seen several wild passerines caught and killed (slowly) by squirrel monkeys. And I have a friend who once had to rescue an amazon from a cotton top tamarin that was literally riding it like a Pegasus as it flew around the enclosure, trying to dislodge it.
     
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    Interesting. Tamarins I suppose it depends on the individual. I know of some instances where tamarins have successfully been mixed with small primates. For example, at the Roger Williams Park Zoo, golden lion tamarins share an indoor Rainforest habitat with yellow-rumped caciques, along with some larger birds. At Buttonwood Park Zoo, some of the Rainforests, Rivers, and Reefs habitats include, along with their callicthrids and titi monkeys, a number of birds, including a sora rail, green aracari, guira cuckoo, crested quail dove, southern lapwing, etc.
     
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    Slightly off topic but I take it you own a facility?
    Seems like an interesting story to tell, though very traumatic for the amazon I presume.
     
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    I don’t own one, but have worked in several, in some cases with decision making authority for making mixed species combos
     
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    Ah cool. Must have been an interesting experience, testing your knowledge and hoping your mixes worked out.
     
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    It definitely made me much more conservative with mixed species attempts and redefined what I consider to be a successful result
     
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    Another idea I’ve had but am not sure on:
    Patagonian Mara (or Cavy, whichever you prefer to use)
    Darwin’s Rhea
    Northern Viscacha
    Crested Tinamou
    (species unspecific)
     
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    It's OK for the 2 first species.
    I think it could work with the 2 latter.
     
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    Okay thanks for the input. I’ve seen mara and rhea mixed on the media page so just wanted to see if the other two could be mixed as well and what kind of risks there would be for the latter two.
     
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    I think the issue I'd see with that one would be scale. Tinamou are mostly ground birds, but I can't imagine flight restricting them, and they'd be super vulnerable to predators in an open, uncovered exhibit. So the question would be, would you be able to build an aviary large enough to comfortably house rheas?

    Also worth noting - a lot of rodents, even primarily herbivorous ones - may eat eggs or chicks, so something to be wary of.
     
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    can emperors and king penguins be mixed?