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Discussion in 'India' started by okapikpr, 12 Jun 2009.

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    There seems to be a lot of negative press about zoos coming out of India lately - I wonder if this is a local trend there, or we are just hearing about it more now?
     
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    zooboy28, it is not lately …, it is continual. That is however not an indication of the true state of affairs of Indian zoos. It is just there is a vehement and vocal anti-zoo movement in India that picks up any old garbage story. As most western press knows bugger all about Indian zoos they copy the storyline 50 times without checking whether it is actually true and after that it gets bandied about the internet and globally to a factor of 50.

    However, in my view the mind boggling bureaucracy, the centrally led zoo organization without individual freedom for zoo managers to make individual zoo renovation decisions and animal exchanges going without consultation of the studbook keeper (but centrally for CZA, State and local Councils) and the fact that senior staff are regularly changed within the Forestry Service makes for a poor managerial level at zoos. Incidents with zoo staff and animals - whom generally are short term contract and no job security and very little zoo keeping / maintenance / husbandry training - can therefore happen at almost any zoo.

    Having said that …., the western press is shockingly ignorant and rather lazy when it comes to factual reporting (as I am afraid some of the Indian media are themselves …., when announcing animal transfers that are still to happen or just airing interest claims by Indian zoos in animals from other Indian zoos). Alas, there is still a lot of postage stamp collecting in Indian zoos without giving due diligence to building better facilities for the current animal collection nor improving animal husbandry and veterinary standards where this pertains to maintaining an animal collection (as opposed to consumptive usage of animals …). The latter is most definitely related to the frequent - every bloody 4 or 5 years of senior zoo staff like director, veterinary officers, curators and biologists …. - are changed in zoo staff.

    I highly doubt that the new WAZA conference may change that much ….!
     
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    good news for me! I'll be back in the Delhi area in a couple of weeks.
     
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    Non news as animals die in every conventional zoo. It is not news that is normally reported from any western zoo ... save for when high profile species are concerned which is sometimes publicised. In our experience this is usually the realm where deranged Humane Society or PETA make a racket.

    Now here where India is concerned the western media suddenly have an interest when for the up-teenth time alarmist news gets into the mainstream ANP / UP outlets. And wooow, how all media go into repeat mode to the point that if and when you would surf over the Net with the highlight "Delhi Zoo" you would get 10+ pages with newspapers and sites copying in the very same item. This peculiarly may be the second time round and may even be months or years old (NOT SAYING IT IS IN THIS CASE).

    Now, India is a country so obsessed with an overt and very publicly and State managed bureacratic machinery that the system of government is top down and for zoos the pattern is government overseen decision-making process. This meaning that the process is highjackedtaken by Federal Government, the centralised Central Zoo Authority with a country loath for anything reeking of potential for oversight, corruption and or fraud to be overseen by central government. The way this not works is ... it is exactly stopping the zoos from advancing forward as every bloody exhibit, animal transfer and any zoo decision is overseen by 4 different departments both at the individual State and the Federal Government in New Delhi. To compromise things further the senior zoo management is transferred by the Forestry Department every 3 or 4 years. End result: a very slow motion development of any given zoo and no continuity. Also, most employees are still on contract basis / day wages without any real security nor training.

    And where this not enough the Indian equivalent of the Humane Society / PETA get on board. The net end result is no growth, sub standard animal management and husbandry, hardly any functional regional conservation breeding programs (with any transfer usually taking up to 2-3 years to accomplish, and even that is an achievement ..) and "rumours" over animal deaths that cannot be substantiated (but the CZA animal inventories may be publicly accessed - incidentally those for ISIS/ZIMS, nor any of the regional zoo associations can be publicly accessed and information freely disseminated).

    And such is the state of the media, that without fact checking newspaper locally come out with these stories .......

    Yet, any average storyline on new exhibits, or animal births and interesting newcomers never get the time of day or go unreported (locally, nationally and internationally).
     
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