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Newly discovered primate 'already facing extinction'

Discussion in 'Wildlife & Nature Conservation' started by Onychorhynchus coronatus, 11 Nov 2020.

  1. Onychorhynchus coronatus

    Onychorhynchus coronatus Well-Known Member

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    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Sorry, OC

    I placed the link to the article in the recently discovered species page before reading this.
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    It isn't newly discovered - it is newly described. The animals which form the new species have been known for a long time - at least since the early 1900s - as a population of Phayre's Langur (generally included within the nominate subspecies). The paper has simply elevated it, along with the two recognised subspecies of Phayre's Langur, to full species, although the genetic results do not precisely match the distributions of the current subspecies (phayrei and shanicus). Therefore T. p. shanicus has been renamed as T. melamera which is an older name.

    Annoyingly for me Mount Popa is less than two hours from Bagan and can be visited by foreign tourists, but I didn't know of it when I was in Burma (finding information on wildlife-watching in Burma is not particularly easy).

    Paper here: Mitogenomic phylogeny of the Asian colobine genus <i>Trachypithecus</i> with special focus on <i>Trachypithecus phayrei</i> (Blyth, 1847) and description of a new species
     
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    No worries :D didn't see it in that thread , just saw the article on the BBC and thought I'd post it here.
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    When I read through this paper initially the other day, I noticed that the photo of T. melamera as used in Figure 6 was of an animal in a surprisingly similar pose to one of my photos (in the Yadanabon Zoo gallery here on Zoochat) but didn't think much else of it. Today while updating the Old World Primate thread to include the splits I realised that the photo - credited as "Adult female T. melamera at Mandalay Zoo, Myanmar (photo by Tilo Nadler)" - actually is my photo lifted from Zoochat. It has just been brightened but otherwise is identical right down to the positions of out-of-focus wires etc in the background.
     
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    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I can understand you being annoyed, Chli. I would be in your circumstances.

    I have experienced several times when my ideas have been acknowledged as the 'group's ideas' or the 'managers' ideas'. Of course, if people don't agree with them, they're still my ideas.:(
     
  7. Onychorhynchus coronatus

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    Yes, that is very irritating indeed, why don't you contact the authors and challenge them on this ?