I have just been looking at the Photography page of the new website, Photography | Rare Species Conservation Centre This is at variance with some of the statements mentioned above, so it seems that the conditions have been changed or may still be changing. Copyright law is a minefield: as I understand it, the owner of an animal can control the use of a photo of the animal for commercial purposes in just the same way as a person can control the use of their own image (unless they have signed away their 'model rights', usually after the payment of a fee); however an image can be used without permission for an editorial purpose, for example to illustrate a news item. Moreover the copyright of an image belongs to the photographer or artist who created it, unless it has been given or sold to someone else. I hope this can be sorted quickly, because I would like to revisit RSCC this year, to see and photograph the animals. I will be happy to agree to any reasonable conditions, but I will need the situation to be clear before I set out. Alan
Yes - it does seem to have changed, and now is more or less along the same lines as the terms and conditions most zoological collections within the UK have in terms of photography onsite I know that a few people on the RSCC Facebook page alerted the organisation to the fact these terms and conditions were commonplace; it is very pleasing to see that this has now been taken into account. Assuming the terms and conditions change no further, I believe these are very fair.
The species list on the website has now been edited to reflect which species are on-show, and which will be off-show when the collection reopens. According to statements on the FB page for RSCC, most of the species will move onshow over the course of the year. In the following list, I've marked taxa which are labelled as offshow on the website in bold. Carnivores: Bush Dog Boky-Boky Clouded Leopard Eastern Aardwolf Fanaloka Fishing Cat Fosa Giant Otter Greater Grison Smooth Coated Otter Jaguarundi Maned Wolf Malayan Tiger Palawan Bearcat Rusty Spotted Cat Ring-Tailed Vontsira Sumatran Banded Civet Yellow Throated Martin Sun Bear Primates: Sulawesi Tarsier Red-Backed Bearded Saki Golden-Headed Lion Tamarin Pygmy Loris Bengal Slow Loris Pileated Gibbon Fat-Tailed Dwarf Lemur Sambirano Bamboo Lemur Red Ruffed Lemur Birds: Great Hornbill Mindanao Rufous Hornbill Golden Necked Northern Cassowary Goliath Palm Cockatoo Caribbean Flamingo Philippine Scops Owl King Bird of Paradise African Pygmy Goose Hyacinth Macaw Victoria Crowned Pigeon Reptiles: Sunda Gavial Other Mammals: Red Panda Southern Tamandua Chinese Red & White Giant Flying Squirrel Balabac Chevrotain Monotremes and Marsupials: Spotted Cuscus New Guinea Echidna Greater Forest Wallaby Dusky Pademelon A few surprises there - I am not sure many of us expected the Tarsier and Civet to be labelled as on-show, and I suspect people would not have expected something as commonplace as the African Pygmy Goose or Pygmy Loris to be offshow!
I wonder if the behind the scenes tour would include the off-show species. BEHIND THE SCENES TOUR. | Rare Species Conservation Centre £175.00 per person is very expensive but if it allowed all of the off-show things to be seen, I would consider it.
There are several collections with King birds of paradise now - they appear to be fairly regularly imported...
I only know of the three collections within Europe (two of which are off-display) along with Al Wabra. Of course, any increase in the number of collections holding Birds-of-Paradise is much welcomed.
Interesting to note that one of the species,they list as off-show is currently not even at the collection!!
...and so ends a rather strange turn of events! In some ways, it's quite indicative of the place as a whole - here's an idea, it might be bonkers, let's do it, no, let's change our minds, let's not do it.... It's sort of consistent with the way that the zoo has developed over the past few years. Mind you, it's that sort of approach that has led to a very interesting collection, rather than meerkats and ring tailed lemurs and stasis, so I won't complain!
It's quite interesting looking at the comments on the zoo's facebook page (and there's a sentence I never thought I'd write). These are mostly pretty fair and rational, and to be fair to the RSCC, clearly the chorus of disappointment has been listened to and heeded. Which is good!
They also announced on their Facebook page today, that they have welcomed the birth of a Sumatran banded palm civet. The keepers are hand rearing it, since the mother didn't rear the last litter. It also says they are in a breeding program for them with the Nashville Zoo.
Does anyone know what happened to the bear cuscus, if these arrived? (https://www.zoochat.com/community/posts/759832) I have respect for the work of the RSCC, and almost feel as if the site as a whole is an example of what ZSL should attempt within a section of it's Regent's Park site, a living collection of EDGE species (I realise most at RSCC aren't actually in this category, but are little-known and often overlook in conservation terms). However, I don't wish to spoil the party here, but I do question the level of transparency and the lack of publicly-available rationale behind the collection planning at the RSCC. As much as many of these species are incredible to see (and species I would never have seen otherwise), it isn't enough for me to be comfortable paying to see them without understanding why they are there, and what the rationale/long-term plan is for the species ex situ. I'm not saying that European zoos should become homogenous, centrally-regulated holders of purely EEP/ESB species, but when you are importing species from range countries, often wild-caught, often with a captive gene pool too small to sustain itself without further imports, this needs to be defendable. Wouldn't the RSCC be a really exceptional place if it was able, not just to work with such delicate and unusual species, but could face the public with a solid rationale behind it's work importing founder stock?
AFAIK, the Bear Cuscuses were moved to the Wroclaw Zoo and the Brown Dorcopsis were overdetermined by experts to White Striped Dorcopsis.
The animals imported into Europe [Prague & Sandwich], initially identified as being Brown Dorcopsis, were later re-identified as being Dorcopsis hageni. So they're the same specimens under a new name.
When the Bear Cuscuses arrived at Wroclaw I actually asked the collection directly if they were the stock from RSCC, and was told they were a seperate new import and as Mike Grayson says, the Dorcopsis were re-identified upon arrival and as such are indeed the same individuals.
It is disappointing that a UK collection planning to keep king bird of paradise has changed their minds.
I second some of these comments levelled at RSCC. It concerns me that there is a lack of transparency when it comes to importing species that are rarely seen in captivity to a collection which wavers between private collection and public zoo depending on the owner's whim. Yes it is nice to see species that none of us have ever seen before, but making up the husbandry on the hoof for a dozen species is not right. For example species such as tarsiers are notoriously difficult to keep ever by experienced primate collections. Species also seem to be cycled in and out of the collection again at whim, again such as smooth-coated otters, lemurs and singing dogs have all had temporary stays at RSCC before moving on. Is it a case of the owner keeping a novel species and breeding them a few times before deciding that something new catches his eye? This is not the way that professional zoos do collection planning and husbandry, but feels more like a private keeper with alot of money. The only saving grace for RSCC is that they seem to work in with other regional zoos. I realise that I may sound unduly cynical and critical of RSCC and the owner (I don't know him and I might be doing him a disservice), but I find it amazing that many people on this forum will happily stick the boots into some collections while fawning over this one, without looking a little deeper.
this is all pretty much my exact sentiments about this place. I would have crafted my own post, but tetrapod and Communityzoo did it for me
Whilst all of the comments and speculation about RSCC and its owner make intriguing reading, I think it is somewhat damaging to post comments about a collection or an individual at random without fact. RSCC was set up on the back of a personal passion by its founder, so of course to some it may seem like an oversized private collection on a personal whim. However RSCC is committed to the conservation of lesser known species and aims to bring these to a wider audience. RSCC has shone a light on many species that were not really focussed on much and was instrumental in working with as an example Sun Bears and this has helped many other collections behind the scenes and most importantly the work of Free The Bears, RSCC never started out attempting to be the usual zoological facility or collection. RSCC works with many other collections behind the scenes setting up sustainable populations of newly seen species and has a serious interest in captive breeding and research. Someone has to do this work and sadly most collections now focus on what will entertain the average zoo visitor along with their extensive playgrounds etc. The odd comment about Singing Dogs and Smooth Coated Otters coming into the collection then out is rather spurious - esp as Smooth Coated Otters are still on site. In fact if you compare RSCC's collection to most mainstream attraction type zoos then its collection is rather stable and focussed. But on occasion certain animals do not work in a collection or for the benefit of the species or a breeding program they will be sent to another facility. There are a number of species on the new RSCC website which are not onsite but will soon be and are held at other collections but as the new website was being written these were added as soon to be on site. Please all try to ask genuine and interested questions about RSCC and I will try to answer them when possible. RSCC is by no means a secretive evasive collection but speculation and drama are not helpful. RSCC is doing its best to build better facilities, streamline its work and look after its collection in the best interests of the animals onsite. The facility is by no means perfect but seems to breed many species well, even some tricky ones. As you all have probably seen RSCC has continued to improve its site and this will continue. RSCC wishes to be a facility that is understood and has a useful position in the wider zoo community. On that note RSCC has set up various breeding programs for species such as Banded Civet, Palawan Bearcat, Malagasy Small Carnivores in very decent founder numbers so that they can be distributed to various zoos and form a sustainable captive nucleus and these are a massive focus for us and will always be. I doubt many other zoos would do this as it doesn't make commercial sense however RSCC are willing even with its small size to do this work and contribute what we feel is important. We rarely do anything on a whim... Anyway if anyone would like to know more about RSCC, I will where possible try to oblige. However due to work load its not always possible to reply quickly.
