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  1. jusko88

    jusko88 Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone know a current list of phase out species in United States zoos? for example I found out only 6 AZA zoos and 3 non aza places have Brazilian Tapir. specimen count for the Aza zoos are 10 total 5 males and 5 females (Alexandria zoo, Audubon zoo, Lion Country safari, John Ball zoo and Dallas are Aza and Non Aza are wildlife world zoo, Shadow Nursery and Metro Richmond zoo) I know wildlife world zoo has 2 males and 1 female. this is sad. does this mean Brazilian Tapirs are being phased out?
     
  2. arcticwolf

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    I'm pretty sure that right now AZA zoos are focusing on Baird's and Malayan tapirs.
    I know that many species of hoofstock (especially antelope) are currently being phased out. I don't have a list of what species though.
     
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    LEO Zoological Conservation Center has Brazilian Tapirs and have been breeding them. I know that Beardsley once thought about obtaining the species for the upcoming South American expansion but they still don't even know many of the new species to come so who knows if they will.

    I'm pretty sure white Tigers and black Leopards are on the way out. I'm not sure about white Lions as I'm pretty sure they aren't generic but I'm not sure.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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    Other than Giraffe I think most "generic" animals are being phased out in favor of species. I don't know if thats longstanding policy or not but if it is how did generic lions tigers etc proliferate in AZA facilities in the first place?
     
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    The few U.S. zoos that have Margays left will phase them out once they die.
    I recall hearing on this site that Asiatic Black Bears were being phased out.
     
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    The antelope TAG seems to be the only one that is available online. I think I've asked this before, but when animals are phased out do the remain in AZA facilities until they die?

    What are some phase-in species people have heard of? Anything new and exciting?
     
  8. TZFan

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    I have a membership to the AZA so I'll look through some for you.

    I started with Apes 2007 TAG

    Out
    Agile gibbon
    Mueller’s gibbon
    Hybrid gibbons and orangs are being managed to extinction.

    Increases wanted
    A big jump in Bornean orangutans and bonobos.
    Small increases in many gibbon species.
    more javan and pileated gibbons but have limited possibilities for new founders.
    More founders for hoolocks and yellow cheeked gibbons which seems very possible.
     
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    That's great news that the AZA wants to increase the captive populations of more hoofstock and gibbon species, especially Javan and Pileated! I hadn't realized that those species were really anywhere in AZA zoos:)

    @elefante, I know the AZA has announced that they want to phase-in Jaguarundi but haven't really gone anywhere with that yet. I can't wait until they do, though!:D

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  10. mstickmanp

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    I think you misread, TZFan said Hoolock not hoofstock.
     
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    Oh, my bad. Hoolock is great, too! I would certainly like to see some hoolock around!:)

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  12. TZFan

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    The numbers of the those 4 gibbon species was in 2007 hovering around 10-15 animals each. In 6 years that could change a bit in either direction. But more gibbons is great.

    Heres 3 more TAG groups. I decide to go alphabetically group by group. Some have more info or reasoning for decisions than others. If anyone wants what specifically was written let me know and ill go back and copy their comment in exactly.

    So heres the 2008 Amphibian TAG.

    Out
    None

    In
    Locust coqui
    Richmond’s Coqui
    Dwarf Coqui
    Golden Coqui
    Elegant Coqui
    Stream Coqui
    Relict Leopard Frog
    California Red Legged Frog

    Anseriformes TAG 2012 (Ducks and geese)
    Not many of the in or outs are SSP species. Many are part of the RAFT group which are display/ education/research/husbandry species or the no plan group for species that aren’t competing for space with any of the RAFT or SSP animals. I don’t fully understand but if anyone wants the exact wording I can go back.

    Out
    Snow Goose
    Australian Shoveler
    Hartlaub’s Duck
    Easter Hartlaub’s Duck
    Australian Shelduck
    Tufted Duck
    East Indian Whistling Duck
    Whistling Swan
    Mute Swan
    Canadian Goose
    Giant Canada Goose
    Cackling Canada Goose
    Dusky Canada Goose
    Pacific Brant Goose
    Greater White Fronted Goose
    Muscovy Duck
    Garganey Teal
    Gadwall
    Eurasian Wigeon
    Yellow Billed Pintail
    Grey Teal
    Chilean Teal
    African Black Duck
    Mallard
    New Zeland Scaup
    Ring necked Duck
    Greater Scaup

    In
    Madagarcar Teal
    Gambia Spur-winged Goose
    Ross’s Goose
    Andrean Goose
    Bronze- Winged (Spectacled) Duck
    Western Hartlaub’s Duck
    Paradise Shelduck
    White-Eye Pochard (Hardhead)
    King Eider
    African White Backed Duck
    Whooper Swan
    Aleutian Canadian Goose
    Ashy Headed Goose
    Ruddy Headed Goose
    Patagonia Crested Duck
    Meller’s Duck
    Philippine Duck
    Pink-eared Duck
    Baer’s pochard
    American Eider
    White Headed Duck
    Maccoa Duck
    Argentine Black Billed Duck
    Old World Comb Duck
    South American Comb Duck
    Green Pygmy Goose
    Torrent Duck

    Antelope and Giraffe TAG 2009

    Out
    Maxwell’s duikers
    Bay Duikers
    Blesbok (Europe has a strong plan)
    Defassa Waterbuck (Europe has a strong plan)
    Mhorr Gazelle (Europe has a strong plan)
    Dorcas Gazelle
    Saudi Goitered Gazelle
    Nubian Red fronted Gazelle
    Persian Gazelle (strong programs elsewhere)
    Beisa Oryx (Europe has a strong plan)
    Harnessed Bushbuck
    Springbok (but not South African Springbok)
    Suni
    Crowned Duiker
    Cape Hartebeest
    Western Bushbuck

    In
    Royal Antelope (they call it an emerging program)
    Ugandan Kob (Under evaluation)
    Topi (Strong institutional interest exists to build a program)
     
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    Aquatic Invertebrates TAG 2012
    Ok I tried figuring that one out but it was a tad confusing. I’ll go back if anyone wants and try again but if not im happy to leave well enough alone.

    Bat TAG 2007

    Out
    Indian Flying Fox
    Trinidadian Fruit Bat
    Lesser Short Nosed Bat
    White Winged Vampire Bat
    Wahlberg’s Epauletted Bat
    Spectacled Flying Fox
    Pemba Flying Fox
    Ruwenzori Fruit Bat

    In
    None

    Bear TAG 2010
    Out
    Asiatic Black Bears (the population is largely considered post reproductive)

    All other populations are recommended to grow with by breeding except for black and brown bears which are to be non breeding orphans or problem bears. Polar bears are to breed but with poor success they also want orphans and problem bears.

    Buffalo, Cattle and Bison TAG 2002
    I don’t even think this one is worth doing seeing as its 11 years out of date. If someone would like I will go through it.

    Canine and Hyenid TAG 2011

    Out
    Aardwolf
    Black Backed Jackal
    Corsac Fox
    Grey Fox
    Kit Fox
    New Guinea Singing Dog
    Raccoon dog

    In
    Dholes (not new but had been recommended for phase out before now they want to champion it)
    Caprinae TAG 2011

    Out
    Alpine Chamois
    Muskox
    Himalayan Tahr
    Alpine Ibex
    Caucasus Wild Goat
    Aoudad
    European Mouflon
    Dall Sheep

    In
    None

    Charadriiformes TAG 2011 (Shore and sea birds)
    Another massively confusing thing.

    Chelonian TAG 2010 (Turtles)
    Looks like no changes.

    Ciconiiformes and Phoenicopteriformes TAG 2008 (Storks and other long legged birds)
    Out
    White Faced heron
    Indian Pond Heron
    Jabiru
    Black Headed Ibis

    In
    None

    Columbiformes TAG 2012 (Pigeon type birds)
    Another hard to figure out one.

    Coraciiformes TAG 2011 (Hornbills ect)
    No changes other than continue breeding and expanding.

    Unfortunately some of the TAG books are great. Super helpful. Super clear. Others are a real confusing challenge to figure out. You would think it would be fairly standerdized, right? Wrong.
     
  14. mstickmanp

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    Thanks for all the information TZFan. I would personally still would like to see the Buffalo, Cattle and Bison TAG.

    It's a shame reading about some of the species that are recommended for phase out, and the fact that not many are recommended for phase in.
     
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    Thanks for all that TZFan! I would, too, like to see the bovine TAG despite it being outdated.

    So I'm sure many of us have noticed the phase-outs occurring, but what about the phase-ins? Has anyone begun witnessing any of those species being brought into more zoos? All I can really think of is that Bronx has begun bringing in more waterfowl like Whooper Swans and Philippine Ducks.

    And back to the gibbons for a second, what species of hoolock is in the U.S. that they want to increase the captive populations of?

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
  16. MikeG

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    There are Eastern Hoolocks at the Gibbon Conservation Center in Santa Clarita, California.
     
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    With regards to the hoolock gibbons I dont know. The book just said Hoolock gibbon. I'd never heard of them before so I assumed it was just one species. And for all the gibbons they want a boost but it was by small numbers like 5 or 10.

    Ok heres the bison, buffalo and cattle TAG from 2002 as requested.

    Out
    Wood Bison
    European Wisent
    Domestic Yak
    Domestic Asian Buffalo

    In
    None

    Crocodilian TAG 2012

    Out
    Common Caiman
    Yacare Caiman
    Morelet’s Crocodile
    New Guinea Crocodile
    Mugger Crocodile (Marsh Croc)

    In
    None but they do seem to want increases in endangered small crocs.

    Interesting note while the American Alligators, American Crocodile, Australian Salt Water Crocodiles, Australian Freshwater Crocodiles and African Dwarf Crocodiles are to still be kept they are not to be bred and if the space can be converted to an endangered croc its recommended they do so. The African Dwarfs though have more flexibility if the space available is small and African specific. Nile crocs are still managed but zoos are encouraged to replace them specifically with African Slender snouted Crocodiles. So while these populations are still to be managed each seems slated to eventually be placed on the phase out lists when numbers decrease unless something happens to the wild populations. The focus is to move towards smaller endangered crocs.

    Cevid TAG 2009 (Deer)

    Out
    Hog Deer
    Indian Hog Deer
    Western Roe Deer
    Red Deer
    Eastern Elk
    MacNeil’s Deer
    Tu Le Elk
    Rocky Mountain Elk
    Roosevelt’s Elk
    Altai Wapiti
    Java Rusa
    European Fallow Deer
    Persian Fallow Deer
    Costa Rican Red Brocket

    In
    None

    Elephant TAG 2011
    No changes

    Equid TAG 2011
    No changes

    Felid TAG 2009
    There are 36 species they sight as not recommended for management.
    Leopard (exception Amur Leopard)
    Generic Tiger
    Generic Lion
    Kodkod
    Andrean Mountain Cat
    African Golden Cat
    Asian Golden Cat
    Rusty Spotted Cat
    Flat head cat
    Bornean Bay Cat
    Leopard cat
    Marbled Cat
    Jungle Cat
    Temmincks Cat
    Chinese Mountain Cat
    Iberian Lynx
    Wildcat
    Pampas Cat
    Margay (replace with Ocelot)
    Oncilla (poor exhibit animal)
    Geoffroy’s Cat (replace with Ocelot)
    Eurasian Lynx (replaced with Canadian Lynx)

    In
    Jaguarundi

    Bobcats are off the phase out list and zoos with them are to allowed to managed the population to meet the need for bobcat specific exhibit needs.

    Im skipping fresh water fish unless someone really wants them.
     
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    Galliformes TAG 2011 (pheasant like birds)

    Out
    It doesn’t appear there are any noticeable phase outs. They want some reductions to help favour other species but no big total phase out.

    In
    All ins I’ve listed are species they want to see a big population jump from.
    Brown Eared Pheasant
    Edward’s Pheasant
    Wattled Curassow
    Blue Billed Curassow
    Cabot’s Tragopan
    Congo Peafowl
    Northern Helmeted Curassow
    Green Jungle Fowl
    Palawan Peacock-pheasant
    Horned Guan
    Crested Guineafowl
    Ocellated Turkey
    Vultruine Guineafowl

    Gruiformes TAG 2009 (Cranes and crane like birds)
    Out
    Painted Buttonquail
    Little Buttonquail
    Eurasian Crane
    Virginia Rail
    Giant Woodrail
    White Breasted Waterhen
    Giant Coot
    Black Legged Seriema

    In
    Hawaiian Gallinule
    Hawaiian Coot

    Lizard TAG 2013
    I don’t believe there are any changes.

    Marine Fish
    Im skipping this one too unless anyone cares.

    Marine Mammal TAG 2009
    I think I have this TAG figured out. It is pretty darn confusing.

    Out
    Brown Fur Seal

    In
    The AZA has left the door open for the introduction of Elephant Seals, Ringed Seals and Hooded Seals should any zoos develop an interest and workable plan for a healthy sustainable population. They aren’t recommending the move but are willing to entertain the idea down the line. So are they phase in species right now? No. But in the future their might be a possibility.

    Note
    The populations of Northern and southern Sea otters, Walrus, Steller Sea Lions and Pacific White Sided Dolphin appear to depend on wild captures for growth.

    Marsupial & Monotreme TAG 2012
    Out
    Grey Four Eyed opossum
    Victorian Koala
    Striped Possum
    Goodfellow’s Tree Kangaroo

    In
    Tiger quoll
    Tasmainan Devil
    Southern Hairy nosed wombat
    Common Ringtail possum
    Spotted Cuscus

    All phase ins depend on the ability to get the animals.

    I'll finish off the last 3 TAGs later tonight.
     
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    I'm surprised that the AZA hasn't started phasing-out hybrid Cuban Crocodiles yet and breeding pure ones. I guess they're just going to continue listing the hybrids as Cubans and continue breeding them with pure, which will eventually wipe out the species in captivity.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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    I'm happy to see that the AZA wants to phase-in those species! Though a phase-out of any species, Marsupials more than some, is a real shame.

    Are cetaceans not listed in the Marine Mammal TAG?

    ~Thylo:cool: