Reptilarium, schematic!

We've already been there....to no avail.
http://www.zoochat.com/1812/zoo-begin-441940/index2.html

A month-long externship is a start, but depending on what you actually did, usually nothing to write home about.

And @Nikola: it's "my [opinion]", not "mine" - like in "MY pipe dreams" or "I should rather focus on applying for the funding of MY PhD thesis than waste my time online entertaining others with MY antics". Your spelling and grammar is getting worse, and I don't think you can blame the stars for that.

The monotony you mention @jayjds2 is actually one of the drawbacks of the "stamp collection"-style of zoo presentation. Unless you're a taxonomy fan (or a zoochat rare species geek), you'll soon find yourself exhausted after rows and rows of similar looking exhibits, and stop paying attention. Modern presentation forms, however, aren't perfect either; their increasing standardization makes new exhibit complexes and enclosures look like dull clones, copycatted from one another, while the "green space" actually takes away space that could have benefited animals or staff.

 

Yes Batto, the aplications can be submitted starting from September 15th till November 15th. First I must find study programme by myself from German universities. I have a big chance to get granted for Doctorial studies particularly if the study programme is from rarer divisions (like veterinary medicine or more specialized - for zoo animals, medicine or welfare/bechavioral enrichment - but must find such). I can be granted from 750 to 1,000 euros/month for the whole doctorial study period (max. 3.5 years). I must be accepted by a university and by a mentor for the thesis (with official confirmation), to get scholarship, after contact with university for proposed PhD thesis. If I get the doctorial scholarship (I will know the results in April next year), I can start with the studies in October next year after application. By the way I must submit severeal documents incudind Doctorial thesis - with detailed plan for place and time frame for conducting of research, among other documents. I will try from September 15th. You can help me if in your institution a simmilar research- doctorial studies can be conducted. (I call on this page: DAAD Skopje: ????????? ??????/???????????? ??????? )

My English, I think will be satisfactory, thanks for correcting. (Germans can more easily learn English because German is more simmilar with English (same Germanic language family), than Macedonian (most simmilar with Bulgarian and Serbian) (who is Slavic language with Cyrilic letter), appart from better education system in Germany.

 

Thank you jayjds2, I agree completely.

 

TMI, mate, TMI...and in no way relevant. Furthermore, I'd prefer you'd stop trying to pry and make (incorrect) assumptions about my nationality. If someone doesn't want to share personal information (unlike you), you'd better accept that. And stop finding excuses-just improve yourself.

 

Ok Batto sorry.

I don't know what TMI would mean? first association - TimeMindIntrovert

 

Too much information.

 

But these zoos should only keep native British (European) snakes outdoor? Or I am wrong again?
And Brazilian institute certainly keeps them outdoor all year-round?

 

TLD is absolutely right, and I might even extend on that: in many if not most snake species, juvenile specimens do much better in "smallish" enclosures. That doesn't mean that you have to keep them in tiny "shoeboxes" all their life, but it's certainly a practical contradiction to Nikola's sweeping declaration.

Why "should" they keep only native snakes outdoors, @Nikola?

 

Because of the climate Batto, as it will not allow keeping subtropical/tropical reptiles, lets say outdoor in the warmest 2 months in the year (15 June - 15 August?), including the nights.

Maybe first we should define more closely what outdoor keeping would mean - letting snakes outdoor all day - 24 h, or gather them indoor durring nights? Hence I supposed that those European zoos keep outdoor only native reptiles (wich are used to colder temperatures). Tropical species should not be kept at temperatures lower than 17-18 deg C, in more than 7-10 h/24 h, it not so?

When I initially mentioned outdoor for Brazilian Butantan Institute, I meant outdoor - all year round.

 

@Nikola: The second part of your first sentence actually explained why "should" is redundant in this context. You CAN keep some non-native reptiles outdoors in the UK if the weather is adequate - some better (and longer) than others. A few "exotic" reptile species from seasonal non-European habitats (for example several northern Thamnophis species) can even be kept outdoors all year round in most European climates. As for tropical reptiles: there are a few European zoos in the warmer parts of Europe that can keep them outdoors for even longer periods of time.

 

Indeed interesting, TLD, but very unlikely to be ever implemented.


I am wondering what is the best way to gather a (venomous) snake from outdoor enclosure - by net catcher or some other tool, and at the same time to be least stressfull for the snake, and to be safe for the handler (of venomous snake)? Batto should know this perfectly.

 

It’s actually a common feature in naturalistic outdoor vivaria.

You know nothing, Nikola Snow, eh, Chavkosk...

 

Certainly I don't know a lot ... I had not traveled enough in the Continent, nor read a lot about snake vivaria, ...

I love to point out, crucial, picant things from different aspects

 

To negate prematurely the existence of actually existing husbandry elements is neither crucial nor picant...
Getting snakes out or into outdoor terraria is pretty much the same as indoors and can include snake hooks and tongs.

 

Thank you Batto.

You might not be interested, but tomorrow is the most difficult day (tense, depressing and with a lot of (electro)magnetic influence - confusing for brain), from a 12-day serie-cyclic repeating , - the day of the SNAKE, many things can go out of control. Day of reflections and sharp tongue. I would never work (if ever) directly with venomous snakes on such day (except in urgent and inevitable situations, with great caution). Everyone can feel the difference, tomorrow. Even after 00:30 the special energy can be felt. - in Australia, among some other countries, it already began.

 

A net? That would be a sure way to harm the animal(s) and yourself. You can't make assumptions off learning from wiki, other websites or even books. You need real, actual experience working with animals. For their safety. I don't know where or who would teach you. Maybe Darth Sidious or Voldemort, at this point. You can read, learn, if you will, but will never know how to work with such species. Why do you feel the need to work with such animals? I would say that they're dangerous, but in this case, you're more dangerous to them and the surroundings. You could be dumb and go find a venomous snake for sale or even one in the wild. But that's just a darwin award for the rest of us.

 

Actually I have some experience in a zoo, in the last Spring.

Maybe I will call Batto, as expert or experienced stuff, if that's needed, and of corse if Batto accept (we are both in Europe).