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  1. patrick

    patrick Well-Known Member

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    okay. so which zoos got the best collection? whats at yours? (amphibians included) i'm going to try an remember off my head what's at display at melbourne zoo's frog and reptile houses (there are too many off display to remember)..

    (a "/" means mixed exhibit)

    EURASIAN
    reticulated python / mangrove snake
    taiwan beauty snake
    blood python
    philippine sail-finned waterdragon / malayan box turtle / elongated tortoise
    golden coin turtle
    star tortoise / jeweled lizard
    philippine crocodile

    AFRICAN
    jackson's chameleon / rhinoceros viper
    madagascan day gecko
    egyptian cobra
    aldabran giant tortoise

    AUSTRALASIAN
    fijian crested iguana / tokay gecko
    australian freshwater crocodile
    mary river tortoise
    pig-nosed turtle
    frilled lizard
    black headed python
    lace monitor
    (too many other australian species to remember)

    AMERICAN
    green iguana / constrictor boa
    gila monster
    eyelash viper
    honduran milk snake
    western rattlesnake / hognosed snake (?) / cornsnake
    spiny terrapin / basalisk
    dying poison dart frog
    blue poison dart frog
    splashback poison dart frog
     
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    okapikpr Well-Known Member

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    Jacksonville Zoo has three reptile houses and an additional amphibian "conservation center". Definitely one of the best reptile collections in SE United States. I cant remember the whole collection off the top of my head but here are the highlights.

    AFRICAN
    Egyptian Cobra
    African Bullfrog
    Pancake Tortoise
    Gaboon Viper
    African Rock Python
    Green Mamba
    Nile Crocodile

    NEOTROPICAL
    Caiman Lizard
    Green Anaconda
    Bushmaster
    Panamanian Golden Frog
    Cane Toad
    various Poison Dart/Arrow Frogs
    Cacealian
    Aruba Island Rattlesnake
    Beaded Lizard
    Eyelash Viper

    FLORIDA
    Greater Siren
    Lesser Siren
    American Alligator
    Gopher Tortoise
    Eastern Box Turtle
    Indigo Snake
    Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
    Scarlet Kingsnake
    Cottonmouth
    Canebrake Rattlesnake
    Yellow Rat Snake
    Eastern Glass Lizard
    Dusky Pygmy Rattlesnake
     
  3. patrick

    patrick Well-Known Member

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    surely there are some australian species there okapikpr?
     
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    okapikpr Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Patrick, Jacksonville has three zoogeographic regions (Africa, Neotropical, Florida) each with their own reptile house. Maybe in the future, there are still expansion plans in the masterplan.
     
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    In England the two zoos I think that have the best collections are london and Chester. I don't know much about London's collection, but here is something on Chester's:

    In the Orang-utan house:

    Red tailed racer
    Green tree monitor
    Mountain horned lizard
    Reticulated Python
    White lipped pit viper
    Mangrove snake
    King ratsnake
    Green tree python
    Mangrove monitor
    Crocodile monitor

    In the elephant house:

    Pig nosed turtle/Pla Eesok/Clown loach/Denison's barbs/Asiatic arowana
    Elongated and Spiny turtles were kept in here, but elongated left the collection and the spiny laid an egg, so they were moved off-show. They are with the Belanger' tree shrews.

    Okapi house:

    Gaboon viper

    Tropical realm:

    Tuatara
    Gila monster
    Radiated tortoise
    Galapagos tortoise
    Rhinoceros iguana
    Sudanese uromanyx/Egyptian tortoise
    Lesser antilles iguana/Mountain chicken
    Standing's day gecko/Madagascan tree boa
    Rhinoceros viper
    prehensile tailed skink
    Juvenile Komodo dragon
    Caiman Lizard/smoky jungle frog
    Lace monitor
    *Philippine crocs will be on show very soon*
    Mission golden eyed tree frog/Red eyed tree frog

    There are more, but I can't remember them (lol)

    Off show there are lots of species:

    Fiji banded iguana
    Eyelash viper
    Zhou's box turtle
    Three striped box turtle
    Both species of Four eyed turtle
    Mossy frogs...
     
  6. NZ Jeremy

    NZ Jeremy Well-Known Member

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    New Zealand has quite poor collection (internationally) but quite good considering no snakes are allowed...

    Usually NZ natives such as:
    Tuatara
    9 or so gecko species
    4 frog species
    Plus:
    4 or so Australian species of frog
    4 or so Newt species
    4 Turtle/Tortoise species
    3 monitor/dragon species
     
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    i'm a big newt aficionado - what species?
     
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    Fire bellied, axolotyls (not sure if they are technically newts) of varying colours...
     
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    axolotyls are salamanders - but not newts. newts are a family of salamanders.

    in australia i have seen, alpine crested, european common or smooth newts and japanese fire bellies. all are illegal except for axolotyl (which makes no sense), so you don't see them in stores anymore at all.

    melbourne still keep japanese newts (the best)

    can you keep clawed frogs (xenopus) in NZ?
     
  10. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    in NZ there are tuatara in several collections and often a selection of the native skinks and geckos, but you'd be lucky to see any native frogs. Very few places display them, and certainly not all four species. There are only three Aus frogs in NZ (whistling and two bell frogs) although banjo frogs turned up in the wild a few years ago (swiftly stamped out; but it means there are some species being kept illegally -- not however in the zoos). African clawed frogs are kept in some zoos and aquariums but mostly they are used in university zoo labs (it is illegal to keep them privately). Same goes for cane toads.

    The only newts/salamanders kept (as far as I'm aware) are the axolotl, and Chinese and Japanese fire-bellied newts.

    There are about a dozen species of turtles and tortoises in NZ, some only in zoos (such as Ti Point or Auckland), some only in private collections. Most are scarce to rare.

    I'm not sure if there are any monitors in public collections anymore. There are at least a few still in private collections. (NZ Jeremy says one sand goanna at Ti Point, which must be the only species on public display. Lace monitors used to be seen at several places but the last one died at Orana Park a couple of years ago)

    Some Australian lizards are common in private and public collections (especially blue-tongues, and bearded and water dragons). Others are rare or scarce in both public and private, including Cunningham's and stump-tails. There are a very few leopard geckos around (almost all in private collections); and also Madagascar day geckos and Jackson's chameleons in zoos only. Auckland Zoo used to have Fijian banded iguanas, scheltopusik, Calotes versicolor, and some others but I don't know if they still do (haven't been there for a long time)

    The only crocodilians I know of are the saltwater croc at Napier Aquarium and American alligator(s) at Ti Point
     
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  11. PAT

    PAT Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Patrick you forgot Australian frogs. There are a species of bell frog and green tree frog. But i'm not so sure if they have corroboree frog or not. I think they do though.
     
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    i havent been to adelaide zoo yet but when it comes to reptile collections i think both Taronga and Melbourne Zoo have outstanding reptile collections, imaginatively displayed. Melbourne is particularly imaginative when it comes to mixed-species exhibits, but I like the way Taronga's Serpenteria is designed, giving its collection a prominent and effective display whereas many zoos seem to stick reptiles wherever theyll fit.
    Reptiles are so important to the environment that its important they are well displayed, though I think Taronga could be more imaginative when it comes to interpretation. In terms of tactile interps the life-size sculpture of the komodo dragons at the entry area are great. On the other hand, Melbourne Zoo does a wonderful job of interpreting zoo conservation with reptiles. And Melbourne Zoo's amphibian collection would have to be the best in Australia. Perth Zoo's collection of herpes is good, and full marks for integrating herpes into approtriate geographical exhibits, but their main reptile house looks a little like a converted chook shed.
    Overseas the best collection of herpes I have ever encountered was at London Zoo. The sheer scale of the collection, interpretation, in-situ links, mixed species exhibits (including herpes and aves) and auxillary reptile enclosures including the Komodo House are all on a great scale.
     
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    The broadest reptile zoo-collection in my country is in zoo Plzen/Pilsen with over 200 species, but a great part of them is off-show.

    Another collection with various reptiles exist in Prague zoo. Only about 120 species, but partly better housed (compared to Plzen), I would say. What I remember to see:

    Elephant house:
    alligator snapping turtle
    caiman lizard/vietnamese pond turtle
    cuban boa
    green tree python/tentacle snake
    caiman lizard (babies)
    white lipped python
    ruthvens kingsnake
    gila monster
    solomon islands skink
    banded mangrove snake
    red blood python
    madagascar tree boa
    cuban iguana (juveniles)
    giant asian pond turtle/yellow tree monitor
    oustalets chamaleon
    rufous beaked snake
    indian rock python

    Chambal house:
    indian gharial/common river terrapin/crowned river turtle/brown roofed turtle

    Big cats house
    common chuckwalla/desert spiny lizard/collared lizard/texas tortoise/socorro dove
    green anaconda/central american river turtle/vermiculate river stingray/oscar
    rhinoceros iguana/red acouchi/finches+doves
    cuban iguana/cuban turtle
    cuban iguana
    cuban iguana (babies)/rhinoceros iguana (babies)/cuban curly-tailed lizard
    green tree monitor/asian yellow pond turtle
    black tree monitor/malayan flat-shelled turtle
    chinese water dragon/indochinese box turtle
    caiman lizard
    gabon viper/green mamba

    Singing birds aviaries
    smooth snake/differnt small birds
    sand lizard/slow worm/differnt small birds/native amphibians

    Giant tortoise house
    pinzón tortoise/santa cruz tortoise/aldabran tortoise/rodriguez flying fox
    namaqualand speckled tortoise/armadillo lizard/bibrons gecko
    crocodile monitor/malaysian giant turtle/giant asian pond turtle

    Indonesian house
    black mud turtle/red bellied short-necked turtle/different gouramis
    fly river turtle/fish
    common river terrapin (juvenile)/asian leaf turtle/vietnamese pond turtle (juveniles)/fish
    komodo dragon/siamese tigerfish
    oriental whip snake/archer fish/mono/argus fish
    sumatra orang/lar gibbon/common river terrapin/painted terrapin/vietnamese pond turtle/asian spiny turtle

    African house (small mammals)
    south african leopard tortoise/great plated lizard/african helmeted turtle
    sahara sand viper
    javelin sand boa
    ball python
    rainbow skink/pancake tortoise/rainbow lizard/elephant shrew
    ornated uromastyx/egyptian tortoise/elephant shrew
    fire skink/yellow-throated plated lizard
    east african fringe-tailed forest lizard/rufous egg-eating snake
    madagaskar day gecko

    There are another interesting reptiles off-show as chinese crocodile lizard, Auckland green gecko, satanic leaf-tailed gecko, bowsprit tortoise, radiated tortoise, flat-tailed tortoise or vietnamese longnose snake, but there is not enough place in exhibits for them right now.
     
  14. okapikpr

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    Southern US Zoos are well known for their reptile collections. Dallas, San Diego, Atlanta, Knoxville, and Fort Worth. Here's a link for Fort Worth's new Reptile House "Museum of Living Art"

    Fort Worth Zoo

    The site shows a collection list and site plan of the new building.
     
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    Zoo Wroclaw in Poland has the biggest reptile house I even seen. It is two-storey building with several crocodile pools in the hall and maybe 50 or more terraria. Zoo has also separate crocodile house with four indoor/outdoor enclosures and an aquarium.

    In its heyday there were about 200 species. Recently the collection fallen somehow, with people reporting overcrowding with common species. With the new director Ratajszczak, it should improve. There are plans to convert crocodile house into pygmy hippo and mandrill house.

    BTW, terrarium enthusiasts I know are critical of most zoos. Many reptiles are really sensitive and zoos often do it wrong. I was surprised to learn that diferent tortoise species should not be mixed and you get aggresive tortoise species which bully less aggressive ones. Apparently also, lettuce and fruit are wrong food for a tortoise.
     
  16. NZ Jeremy

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    Auckland has info on all 4 native NZ frogs, not sure if they keep all four it is almost impossible to see any in their displays...

    Ti Pi still has a sand monitor, it was very large and elderly I believe:

    Exotic Lizards

    Here's a review I did on NZ's only reptile park:

    http://www.zoobeat.com/17/ti-pi-reptile-park-12666/

    They are both still there I think, I believe the Iguanas are off exhibit since the closure of the aquarium, I know for sure the Scheltopusik is (saw it a week or two ago)...
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    I just edited my earlier post to add in the bit about the sand monitor (and also about crocs which i forgot about)
     
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    i also really like both zoos reptile houses. melbourne probably has the best collection and taronga has these great outdoor exhibits that i love such as the freshwater crocodiles and komodo dragons.

    i also like the way tarongas house, is blocked into habitat types (desert, then forest etc..)
     
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    I have a list of Taronga's (the habitat distinctions have been becoming murkier in recent years). I've tried to arrange them in some sort of taxonomic order.
    *Saltwater Crocodile
    *Freshwater Crocodile
    *American Alligator
    *Tuatara
    *Komodo Dragon
    *Lace Monitor
    *Mitchell's Water Monitor
    *Short-tailed Monitor
    *Fijian Banded Iguana
    *Fijian Crested Iguana
    *Green Iguana
    *Eastern Water Dragon
    *Coastal Bearded Dragon
    *Chameleon Dragon
    *Central Netted Dragon
    *Tawny Crevice Dragon
    *Sailfin Lizard
    *Frilled Lizard
    *Basilisk
    *Gila Monster
    *Giant Cave Gecko
    *New Caledonian Giant Gecko
    *Rough Knob-tailed Gecko
    *Southern Leaf-tailed Gecko
    *Scheltopusik
    *Night Skink
    *Hosmer's Skink
    *Land Mullet
    *Cunningham's Skink
    *Eastern Water Skink
    *Eastern Blue-tongued Lizard
    *Shingleback
    *Veiled Chameleon
    *Jackson's Chameleon
    *Northern Snake-necked Turtle
    *Eastern Snake-necked Turtle
    *Short-necked Turtle
    *Saw-shelled Turtle
    *Matamata
    *River Cooter (American)
    *Star Tortoise
    *Elongate Tortoise
    *Pacific Ground Boa
    *Boa Constrictor
    *Reticulated Python
    *Amethystine Python
    *Green Python
    *Black-headed Python
    *Children's Python
    *Diamond Python
    *Eyelash Viper
    *Rhinoceros Viper
    *Arafuran File Snake
    *Taipan
    *Mulga Snake
    *Fierce Snake
    *Red-bellied Black-snake
    *Broad-headed Snake
    *Collett's Snake
    *Stimson's Python
    *Egyptian Cobra
    *Corn Snake
    *Eastern Diamondback Rattlesnake
    *Desert Death Adder
     
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    Oh - I just realised I forgot frogs.
    *Corroborree Frog
    *Red-eyed Tree Frog
    *Green and Golden Bell Frog
    *Dwarf Tree Frog
    *Cane Toad
    *Green Tree Frog
    *Dainty Tree Frog

    I know there are others off display. (Sorry for double post.)