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Discussion in 'Wildlife & Nature Conservation' started by TeaLovingDave, 15 Apr 2018.

  1. birdsandbats

    birdsandbats Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I've never accepted the Red Fox split, but where are are the pure European animals located, and what fox populations are hybrids? Which are pure American?
     
  2. lintworm

    lintworm Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    This paper might be of interest:
    Nuclear Genetic Analysis of the Red Fox Across its Trans-Pacific Range

    It compares Red fox genes across the species range and though it is not unlikely that they indeed present a distinct species. There has however been extensive hybridization in the past, when and how this mixing occured is still unclear. The introduction of English foxes to east USA is also briefly discussed, but that stands apart from the main hybridization story.
     
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    Hipporex Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Question. So if this taxonomy is correct, and it certainly makes sense to me, then which subspecies is native to the Sunda Islands? I mean obviously the ones in Australia are C. d. dingo and the ones in New Guinea are C. d. hallstromi but what about the ones on the Southeast Asia islands like Thailand?
     
  4. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    If you think Thailand is an island, I'm slightly worried about your geographical skills :p

    As for your question, I believe the general theory is that populations in the Malay Peninsula and Indonesia have been subject to so much admixture with later domestic dog populations that they cannot be truly described as dingo.
     
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  5. Hipporex

    Hipporex Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Oh gosh dang it. You're right. I don't know what I was thinking, if I meant a to type a different country or if for a second I thought Thailand was an island. Regardless that's an "oopsie" on my part.
     
  6. Giant Eland

    Giant Eland Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Pallid Fox Vulpes pallida just uploaded:

    pale fox (Vulpes pallida) - ZooChat
    pale fox (Vulpes pallida) - ZooChat
     
  7. Giant Eland

    Giant Eland Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Pallid fox update reminder :D
     
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