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Tigers, Lions, & Leopards OH, MY! (Big Cats)

Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by ThylacineAlive, 24 Oct 2012.

  1. Tim May

    Tim May Well-Known Member 15+ year member Premium Member

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    The African golden cat exhibit was a long way back from the pathway and, frustratingly, I always found it extremely hard to take decent photos of them.

    Somewhere I've probably got some slides of this species but none that are good enough to scan and post on ZooChat.
     
  2. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    You say that, but it is better than nothing ;)
     
  3. pipaluk

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    My list would be almost the same, without the African golden cat and I may have seen pampas cat at Kilverstone, but can't be sure. I can add Jungle cat though
     
  4. Dassie rat

    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Hello Pipaluk and Tim.
    I forgot about seeing the jungle cat.
    I saw an African golden cat at Port Lympne and/or Rotterdam. Rotterdam had a flat-headed cat on my first visit, but I don't remember seeing it.
    On my first visit to Howletts, there was a marbled cat off-show, but I only found out about this after my visit.
     
  5. animalszoos

    animalszoos Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    The sunda clouded leopards I saw in these collections were around 6-8 years ago. The one in the mini zoo (near Kuching) was likely to be a confiscated animal which was probably - at the time - recently wild caught due to its aggression towards visitors (it could also have been an orphan). Unfortunately, you may be disappointed to know that the enclosure was not completely adequate. 'A cage' would be a more appropriate term due to the fact that it consisted of wire bars a concrete floor, ceiling and wooden platforms attached to the wall as well as a few logs.

    I have just remembered that the other clouded leopard was not in a crocodile farm but was at a wildlife rescue centre (I can't remember what it was called or where it was, sorry). I recall a netted enclosure with lots of climbing logs and vegetation. This specimen was probably been released into the wild shortly after I viewed it.

    Unfortunately I did not take any pictures as I saw them when I was very young.
     
  6. Tim May

    Tim May Well-Known Member 15+ year member Premium Member

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    I was never lucky enough to see the flat-headed cat on any of my visits to Rotterdam either.
    The only time I have seen this species was in Lincoln Park (Chicago) when the curator, very kindly, took me behind the scenes especially to see the flat-headed cat although, as mentioned previously, I didn't get a very good view of it.
     
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  7. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    it might be worth noting that the revised Felidae taxonomy is available online here: https://repository.si.edu/bitstream...e_Taxonomy_CatNews.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

    I have put the list of 41 species on this other thread for quick perusal (it is also on page 76 of the link above, which includes their opinions of valid subspecies): online newsletter for small cats

    Of those 41 listed species I have seen only 24 in captivity (all the big cats and mainly Old World small cats - I've only seen 4 out of the 12 New World small cats on that list). Seven of those 24 I've also seen in the wild. Then there's Pallas' Cat which I haven't managed to see in captivity but have probably seen (only the eye-shine of) in the wild.
     
  8. FBBird

    FBBird Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Just for fun, trying to list the cats I've seen (full species level only), sadly none of them in the wild: Lion, Tiger, Jaguar, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Clouded Leopard, Puma, Cheetah, Serval, Caracal, European Lynx, Bobcat, Jaguarundi, Ocelot, Margay, Asian Golden Cat, Rusty-spotted Cat, African Wildcat, Scottish Wildcat, Geoffroy's Cat, Leopard Cat, Pallas's Cat, Jungle Cat
    Might have missed out the odd small species from the dim & distant past.
     
  9. FBBird

    FBBird Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    How could I forget Sand Cat?
     
  10. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    Let's see how I am doing then - all of these are captive.

    Lion Panthera leo
    Jaguar Panthera onca
    Leopard Panthera pardus
    Tiger Panthera tigris
    Snow Leopard Panthera uncia

    Mainland Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa

    Caracal Caracal caracal
    Serval Leptailurus serval

    Geoffroy's Cat Leopardus geoffroyi
    Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
    Northern Tigrina Leopardus tigrinus
    Margay Leopardus weidii

    Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii

    Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
    Eurasian Lynx Lynx lynx
    Bobcat Lynx rufus

    Puma Puma concolor
    Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus
    Jaguarundi Herpailurus yagouaroundi

    Mainland Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
    Sunda Leopard Cat Prionailurus javanensis
    Rusty-spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus
    Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
    Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul

    Domestic Cat Felis catus
    Jungle Cat Felis chaus
    African Wild Cat Felis lybica
    Sand Cat Felis margarita
    Black-footed Cat Felis nigripes
    European Wild Cat Felis silvestris

    So a total of 30 species - slightly more than I expected actually, but barring new species coming into European collections there are only two more I can get without going further afield - these being Southern Tigrina and Iberian Lynx.
     
  11. Brum

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    Since when? :p
     
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  12. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Following the new taxonomy (though I share the opinions of others when it comes to some of these revisions such as with tigers and leopard cats):

    Lion Panthera leo
    • Asiatic Lion Panthera leo leo
    • South African Lion Panthera leo melanochaita
    Jaguar Panthera onca
    Leopard Panthera pardus
    • Amur Leopard Panthera pardus orientalis
    Tiger Panthera tigris
    • Mainland Tiger Panthera tigris tigris
    • Sunda Tiger Panthera tigris sondaica
    Snow Leopard Panthera uncia

    Mainland Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa

    Caracal Caracal caracal
    • South African Caracal Caracal caracal caracal
    Serval Leptailurus serval

    Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
    • Brazilian Ocelot Leopardus pardalis mitis
    Oncilla Leopardus tigrinus
    Margay Leopardus weidii
    • Yucatán Margay Leopardus weidii glauculus

    Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii
    • Tibetan Golden Cat Catopuma temminckii moormensis

    Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
    Eurasian Lynx Lynx lynx
    • Northern Lynx Lynx lynx lynx
    • Carpathian Lynx Lynx lynx carpathicus
    • Siberian Lynx Lynx lynx wrangeli
    Bobcat Lynx rufus
    • Eastern Bobcat Lynx rufus rufus

    Cougar Puma concolor
    • North American Cougar Puma concolor cougar
    Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus
    • South African Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus jubatus
    • Sudan Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus soemmeringii
    Jaguarundi Herpailurus yagouaroundi

    Mainland Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
    • Indochinese Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis
    Rusty-spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus
    • Sri Lankan Rusty-Spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi
    Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
    Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul
    • Northern Pallas' Cat Otocolobus manul manul

    Domestic Cat Felis catus
    African Wildcat Felis lybica
    • North African Wildcat Felis lybica lybica
    Sand Cat Felis margarita
    • Arabian Sand Cat Felis margarita thinobia
    Black-footed Cat Felis nigripes
    European Wildcat Felis silvestris
    • Scottish Wildcat Felis silvestris silvestris

    Following this new taxonomy I currently have seen 27 species and 37 taxa (including having seen non-ssp taxa along with ssp for those species; 33 not counting this)

    Furthermore, following this taxonomy I will have lost the following taxa from my lifelist:

    Mexican Jaguar Panthera onca hernandesii
    North-Chinese Leopard Panthera pardus japonica
    Malayan Tiger Panthera tigris jacksoni*
    Himalayan Snow Leopard Panthera uncia uncia

    Damara Caracal Caracal caracal damarensis

    Florida Bobcat Lynx rufus floridanus

    *Or Amur Tiger, P. t. altaica, point is I've lost a tiger ssp.

    ~Thylo
     
  13. TeaLovingDave

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    Cheeky bastard :p you noticed that just as I fixed the error - borne of copying the master list and deleting those species I hadn't seen, but not proofreading the list before I hit "post"

    If I *had* seen Marbled Cat, I would be shouting it from the rooftops.
     
  14. Arizona Docent

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    If you needed further proof that you can be a so-called expert and not know much, here it is. A ranger in Ujong Kulong National Park took a photo of a leopard and is claiming it is a Javan tiger as potential proof they are not extinct. The department of forestry is sending it out for investigation. Ummm - hello, I can save you the time right now. It took me less than a minute to judge from the tail length that it is a leopard with 100% certainty (not to mention the fact it has no stripes).
    Declared extinct decades ago, a Javan tiger may have just been photographed in Java’s Ujung Kulon National Park | Coconuts Jakarta
     
  15. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    that is bizarre. The photo is 100% clearly a leopard. And it's not even like there has been an immediate release to the media with no chance to, you know, look at the photo for more than three seconds. It was, according to that article, taken last month and they are going to send in people to investigate...

    :confused:
     
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  16. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    I had a further look around. The only English-language article is that one, which made me suspicious it was a hoax article. But there are loads of different articles in Indonesian papers, albeit all saying much the same thing, so it does look genuine on the face of it.

    I really fail to see how anyone with any wildlife experience could think it was a tiger in the first place, and further how it has progressed this far as to be released to media, three weeks after the fact.
     
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  19. birdsandbats

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    My list:
    Lion (African, Barbary)
    Tiger (Amur, Generic)
    Jaguar
    Leopard
    Snow Leopard
    Clouded Leopard
    Caracal
    Serval
    Geoffroy's Cat
    Canada Lynx
    Eurasian Lynx
    Bobcat
    Cougar
    Cheetah
    Sand Cat
    Black-Footed Cat
    Domestic Cat
     
  20. vogelcommando

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