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Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by ThylacineAlive, 24 Oct 2012.

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  1. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    See, that sounds promising - I very deeply hope that I am wrong. My belief they no longer have them is predicated on the fact that in 2008 ISIS recorded one place in UAE as holding 1.1 marbled cats, and in 2011 this listing had been removed. If the collection you are referring to is non-ISIS, and received their animals from the ISIS collection - or alternatively the collection withdrew from ISIS - this could reconcile both accounts.

    As I noted, I dearly hope there *are* marbled cats being bred, as I very much would love to see and photograph one myself.
     
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  2. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I know this thread is pretty much dead but I thought I'd post an updated species list of felines I've seen:
    -Cougar (ssp cougar)
    -Snow Leopard
    -Lion (ssp krugeri)
    -Tiger (ssp jacksoni)
    -Tiger (ssp altaica)
    -Tiger (generic)
    -Sumatran Tiger
    -Cheetah (ssp jubatus)
    -Leopard (generic)
    -Clouded Leopard
    -Ocelot (ssp mitis)
    -Ocelot (generic)
    -Fishing Cat
    -Caracal (ssp caracal)
    -Canada Lynx (ssp canadensis)
    -Canada Lynx
    -Bobcat
    -Bobcat (ssp... whatever the wild ssp in my area is, I think it's rufus)
    -Eurasian Lynx (ssp wrangeli)
    -Pallas's Cat (ssp manul)
    -Pallas's Cat
    -Black-Footed Cat
    -Sand Cat (ssp harrisoni)
    -Domestic Cat

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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  3. zooboy28

    zooboy28 Well-Known Member

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    Here is my current list:

    South African Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus jubatus
    Sudanese Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus soemmeringii
    Caracal Caracal caracal
    Southern Caracal Caracal caracal caracal
    Asiatic Golden Cat Catopuma temmincki
    Domestic Cat Felis catus
    Jungle Cat Felis chaus
    Arabian Sand Cat Felis margarita harrisoni
    Arabian Wild Cat Felis silvestris gordoni
    European Wild Cat Felis silvestris silvestris
    Serval Leptailurus serval
    Geoffrey's Cat Leopardus geoffroyi
    Ocelot Leopardus pardalis
    Oncilla Leopardus tigrinus
    Margay Leopardus wieldii
    Canada Lynx Lynx canadensis
    Central Asian Lynx Lynx lynx isabellensis
    European Lynx Lynx lynx lynx
    Bobcat Lynx rufus
    Clouded Leopard Neofelis nebulosa
    Pallas's Cat Otocolobus manul
    Angolan Lion Panthera leo bleyenberghi
    South African Lion Panthera leo krugeri
    Asian Lion Panthera leo persica
    West African Lion Panthera leo senegalensis
    Jaguar Panthera onca
    North Chinese Leopard Panthera pardus japonensis
    Sri Lankan Leopard Panthera pardus kotiya
    Javan Leopard Panthera pardus melas
    Amur Leopard Panthera pardus orientalis
    African Leopard Panthera pardus pardus
    Persian Leopard Panthera pardus saxicolor
    Amur Tiger Panthera tigris altaica
    Indochinese Tiger Panthera tigris corbetti
    Malayan Tiger Panthera tigris jacksoni
    Sumatran Tiger Panthera tigris sumatrae
    Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis
    Bengal Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis
    Amur Leopard Cat Prionailurus bengalensis euptilurus
    Sri Lankan Rusty Spotted Cat Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi
    Fishing Cat Prionailurus viverrinus
    North American Puma Puma concolor cougar
    Jaguarundi Puma yagouaroundi
    Snow Leopard Uncia uncia
     
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  4. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    hmm, lists.....
    tiger
    lion
    jaguar
    leopard
    snow leopard
    regular clouded leopard
    Bornean clouded leopard
    cheetah
    domestic cat
    fishing cat
    leopard cat
    flat-headed cat
    Asiatic golden cat
    serval
    caracal
    bobcat
    puma
    ocelot

    and probably some others. I don't keep zoo animal lists so I don't remember them all. They had a Geoffroy's cat at Wellington Zoo when I first visited there, but I didn't see it because it was hiding.
     
    Chlidonias, 22 Jul 2013
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  5. Hix

    Hix Wildlife Enthusiast and Lover of Islands 15+ year member Premium Member

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    Domestic Cat
    Black-footed Cat (Frankfurt)
    Pallas' Cat (Adelaide)
    Rusty-spotted Cat (Frankfurt)
    Fishing Cat (Taronga, Gorge)
    Serval (Taronga, Melbourne, Jersey, Frankfurt, Adelaide, Honolulu)
    Caracal (Melbourne, Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles)
    Eurasian Lynx (Hamburg, Dahlholzli, Toronto)
    Bobcat (Taronga, San Francisco, Melbourne, Gorge, ASDM)
    Puma (Melbourne, Taronga, Hamburg, Los Angeles, National Zoo Canberra)
    Jaguarundi (Taronga)
    Ocelot (Melbourne, Belize)
    Margay (London, Belize)
    Cheetah (Taronga, Western Plains Zoo, SDWAP, Jersey, Artis, Toronto, Audubon Park, San Diego, National Zoo Canberra, Monarto, Werribee, Kuwait, Honolulu)
    King Cheetah (SDWAP, National Zoo Canberra, Western Plains Zoo)
    Clouded Leopard (Taronga, Frankfurt, Los Angeles, San Diego)
    Snow Leopard (Taronga, San Francisco, Basle, Zurich, Jersey, Los Angeles, Brookfield, Toronto, Ross Park, San Diego)
    Leopard (Taronga, African Lion Safari, Chessington, Cologne, Frankfurt, Gorge)
    Persian Leopeard P.p.saxicolor (Bristol, Adelaide)
    Chinese Leopard P.p.japonensis (Hamburg, Toronto)
    Jaguar (Taronga, Frankfurt, Toronto, Wildlife World, Belize, Auckland)
    Lion (at 31 different zoos, including 3 with White Lions)
    Cape Lion P.l.leo (Frankfurt Zoo)
    Asiatic Lion P.l.persica (Zurich)
    Liger/Tigon (African Wildlife Safari, National Zoo Canberra)
    Tiger (at 22 different zoos, including 5 with White Tigers)
    Sumatran Tiger P.t.sumatrae (Frankfurt, San Diego, Taronga, Adelaide, Symbio, Wellington, Honolulu, Western Plains Zoo)

    That's all I have records of; I've probably seen some at more zoos than listed. I know I've seen Siberian Tigers at a few places but never took photos.

    And I've never seen a cat in the wild (apart from feral cats)

    :p

    Hix
     
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  6. zooboy28

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    Pallas' Cat at Adelaide! How long ago was that? And a few other nice species now absent from Oz/on the way out.
     
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  7. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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  8. zooboy28

    zooboy28 Well-Known Member

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    How is 30 years not a long time??? Unless you still remember when the world was flat... :p

    Any ideas on where the cats originated from, or when they arrived? Or numbers? Or any other Australasian zoos that held them? Surely no NZ zoos?
     
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  9. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    I don't know about the 1984 cat in Hix's photo (unless he got the year wrong) but in 1986 one arrived from Chicago's Brookfield Zoo, swapped for an Adelaide-bred polar bear.
     
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  10. Hix

    Hix Wildlife Enthusiast and Lover of Islands 15+ year member Premium Member

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    It was definitely 1984, I was attending the ASZK Conference there. I know nothing about its origins or disposition.

    :p

    Hix
     
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  11. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    no, I didn't think you would have got the date wrong. I would make a guess that the 1986 one was obtained as a mate for the one you saw.

    Just as an aside, the polar bear is the one named Aussie who was mentioned recently on the Gold Coast Sea World thread about their polar bear birth.
     
    Chlidonias, 22 Jul 2013
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  12. Elephas Maximus

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    My small felid species list, all seen in Ekaterinburg zoo (some species are no more kept here):
    African lion
    Amur tiger
    Bengal white tiger
    Amur leopard
    Cheetah
    Jaguar (melanistic & normal)
    Snow leopard
    Cougar
    Caracal
    Serval
    Amur wildcat
    African wildcat
    Siberian lynx
    Chaus
    Fishing cat
     
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  13. Maguari

    Maguari Never could get the hang of Thursdays. 15+ year member Premium Member

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    Yay! Lists!

    Here's mine:

    Acinonyx jubatus jubatus - South African Cheetah
    Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
    Acinonyx jubatus f. rex - King Cheetah
    Caracal caracal - Caracal
    Caracal caracal damarensis - Damara Caracal
    Caracal caracal caracal - South African Caracal
    Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
    Catopuma temminckii temminckii - South-east Asian Golden Cat
    Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
    Felis catus - Domestic Cat
    Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
    Felis manul - Pallas' Cat
    Felis margarita harrisoni - Arabian Sand Cat
    Felis nigripes - Black-footed Cat
    Felis silvestris gordoni - Gordon's Cat
    Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
    Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
    Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
    Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
    Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
    Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
    Leopardus pardalis - Ocelot
    Leopardus pardalis mitis - Brazilian Ocelot
    Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
    Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
    Leptailurus serval - Serval
    Lynx canadensis - Canadian Lynx
    Lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
    Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
    Lynx lynx kozlowi - Baikal Lynx
    Lynx lynx lynx - European Lynx
    Lynx lynx wardi - Altai Lynx
    Lynx rufus - Bobcat
    Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx
    Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
    Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
    Prionailurus planiceps - Flat-headed Cat
    Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
    Prionailurus viverrinus - Fishing Cat
    Puma concolor - Puma
    Puma concolor missoulensis - Missouri Puma
    Puma concolor puma - Chilean Puma
    Neofelis nebulosa - Indochinese Clouded Leopard
    Panthera leo - African Lion
    Panthera leo bleyenberghi - Angolan Lion
    Panthera leo krugeri - South African Lion
    Panthera leo leo - Barbary Lion
    Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
    Panthera leo vernayi - Kalahari Lion
    Panthera leo x P. tigris - Liger
    Panthera onca - Jaguar
    Panthera onca onca - South American Jaguar
    Panthera pardus - Leopard
    Panthera pardus delacouri - Indochinese Leopard
    Panthera pardus fusca - Indian Leopard
    Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
    Panthera pardus kotiya - Sri Lankan Leopard
    Panthera pardus 'melanotica' - 'South African' Leopard
    Panthera pardus melas - Javan Leopard
    Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
    Panthera pardus saxicolor - Persian Leopard
    Panthera tigris - Tiger
    Panthera tigris altaica - Amur Tiger
    Panthera tigris corbetti - Indochinese Tiger
    Panthera tigris jacksoni - Malayan Tiger
    Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
    Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
    Panthera (Uncia) uncia - Snow Leopard


    One or two of the subspecies are no longer recognised but I've kept them as labelled for reference. The two in inverted commas are 'as labelled but I don't for a moment believe them'. ;)

    Most recent additions to the list were surprisingly big ones - P. t. corbetti in Hanoi and Saigon and P. c. puma in Bremerhaven.
     
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  14. Brum

    Brum Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I've told you before, your lists don't count because they are too extensive AND I get jealous when hearing/reading them! :p
     
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  15. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    My list is not quite as impressive..... but I'm still quite pleased with it.

    Acinonyx jubatus jubatus - South African Cheetah
    Acinonyx jubatus soemmerringii - North-East African Cheetah
    Caracal caracal - Caracal
    Caracal caracal damarensis - Damara Caracal
    Catopuma temminckii dominicarum - Chinese Golden Cat
    Catopuma temminckii tristis - Tibetan Golden Cat
    Felis catus - Domestic Cat
    Felis chaus - Jungle Cat
    Felis manul - Pallas' Cat
    Felis margarita harrisoni - Arabian Sand Cat
    Felis nigripes - Black-footed Cat
    Felis silvestris grampia - Scottish Wild Cat
    Felis silvestris lybica - African Wild Cat
    Felis silvestris ornata - Indian Desert Cat
    Felis silvestris silvestris - European Wild Cat
    Herpailurus yagouaroundi - Jaguarundi
    Leopardus geoffroyi - Geoffroy's Cat
    Leopardus pardalis - Ocelo
    Leopardus tigrinus - Oncilla
    Leopardus wiedi yucatanicus - Yucatan Margay
    Leptailurus serval - Serval
    Lynx lynx - Eurasian Lynx
    Lynx lynx carpathicus - Carpathian Lynx
    Lynx lynx lynx - Northern Lynx
    Lynx wrangeli - Siberian Lynx
    Prionailurus bengalensis bengalensis - Indochinese Leopard Cat
    Prionailurus bengalensis euptilura - Amur Leopard Cat
    Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi - Sri Lankan Rusty-spotted Cat
    Prionailurus viverrinus - Fishing Cat
    Puma concolor - Puma
    Neofelis nebulosa - Indochinese Clouded Leopard
    Panthera leo - African Lion
    Panthera leo leo - "Barbary" Lion
    Panthera leo persica - Asian Lion
    Panthera onca - Jaguar
    Panthera pardus - Leopard
    Panthera pardus japonensis - North China Leopard
    Panthera pardus 'pardus' - 'African' Leopard
    Panthera pardus orientalis - Amur Leopard
    Panthera tigris - Tiger
    Panthera tigris altaica - Amur Tiger
    Panthera tigris sumatrae - Sumatran Tiger
    Panthera tigris 'tigris' - 'Bengal' Tiger
    Panthera (Uncia) uncia - Snow Leopard

    Although if I hadn't been using Maguari's list as a basis for my own, I would have identified the Asian Golden Cat as Pardofelis, not Catopuma.
     
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  16. Maguari

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    There's a debate to be had with Herpailurus vs. Puma as well.
     
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  17. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    and that's why you should stick with Felis :p
     
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  18. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    I'd not noticed you'd gone with the old-fashioned name for Jaguarundi! I use Puma for both species myself.
     
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  19. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Nice! I hope to get King Cheetah one day myself. Since there's one kept not too far away in a private collection that accepts volunteers quite readily, I hope to get that animal within the next two years along with getting my first zoo keeper experience.

    Is the Siberian Lynx considered its own species now?

    The Missouri Puma is considered to be the same as P. c. cougar now.

    I believe the Sumatran Tiger is believed to be a separate species now (though TLD could tell you more about that than I!)

    How dare you say your list is not that impressive and then taunt me with those species!:p



    You better be pleased with it....


    By the way, add Caracal caracal damarensis to my list.

    ~Thylo:cool:
     
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  20. TeaLovingDave

    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    I suspect the lynx was a misprint. As for the tiger, it's still under debate :p
     
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