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Where do the Deer & Antelope Play?: A Look at America's Ungulate Populations

Discussion in 'North America - General' started by ThylacineAlive, 22 Aug 2020.

  1. birdsandbats

    birdsandbats Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Do was a typo for no, so I am saying I could find no evidence they have left since then.
     
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    Great! I’m glad that there still there.
     
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    Sarus Crane Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    How'd you get to visit MZP? Do they allow visitors? I emailed them several years ago and they never responded. Would love to see their collection. What species do they hold? Their website seems to be under construction.
     
  4. PSO

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    @Sarus Crane a friend of mine at White Oak got us the visit. The species change quite a bit, more often than not species are added. Since my visit I know Cape buffalo, banting, aldabra, RRH, Babirusa and lechwe and GoH calf was born. Off the top of my head I remember rhino, giraffe, grevys, Somalis, bontebok, anoa, lesser kudu, bongo, nyala, several duiker species just to name a few. And I saw the Jacksons hartebeest with a calf
     
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    Sarus Crane Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    How long was the tour? I had no clue they had that many species. I know that they got the Silver Springs animals a while back. Are any paddocks visible from the road that the property is next to? I especially wanna see those Banteng & Hartebeest!

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    Its strictly private so it was basically Rhudy just showing us around. They did start with the Silver Springs exotic ungulates but have received animals from all over the place (Lowry, L.A., Catskills, W.O., etc.) The only species I recall seeing from the road were the massive plains zebra herd and I believe it was the kudzu. The hartebeest are kept far away from the main facility so they would basically be impossible.
     
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    How many Hartebeest did you see? Are they the only ones left and were they then in 2014 a breeding herd? The ones at San Antonio Zoo died out and I have no clue what happened to the herd formerly kept at St. Catherine's Island. So to see the animals you basically need to know Rhudy or someone at White Oak to get a tour? Thanks for all the info!
     
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    The paddock(s) for the hartebeest are massive. Only saw 2 adults and the young. Dont remember asking how many total. Also they are kept away because they were extremely skiddish and did better with as little human interference as possible. Lion Country Safari was the only other place I know had them but dont know if they still do. Correct, that would be your best way to go for a visit
     
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    Sorry for bumping a thread, but I can confirm that Minnesota’s Persian goitered gazelles have been transferred to a separate facility. Credit to @CheeseChameleon2007 for this information.
     
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    The question is, where?
     
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    Are there any Indian Gazelles (Chinkara) in the USA anywhere in private facilities, ranches or otherwise?
     
  12. EsserWarrior

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    I've never heard of any in the USA. I haven't seen any in the private trade, either. They do look similar to Thomson's Gazelles, so if I saw one at some point I may have thought it was a Thomson's. (But you don't see those in the private trade often either.)
     
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    More specifically Western Tufted Deer
    They also keep Siberian Musk Deer if that wasn't listed yet
     
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    The Siberian Musk Deer was listed.
     
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    Would Brownsville hold one one the rarer antelope collections in the US?
     
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    Gladys porter zoo is famous for holding plenty of species you can’t find anywhere else. They have the only harnessed bushbucks outside of Africa, bornean bearded pigs, red broken deer, gaur, Arabian oryx and bontebok, and they used to have jenticks duiker & hunters hartebeest. I think the award for largest collection of rare ungulates in the United States would go to either iron mountain ranch, sdzsp, or the Bronx zoo.
     
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    Bornean Bearded Pigs?! I thought they were gone from the US.
     
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    Only 2 places keep them now. Capital of Texas zoo & Gladys porter zoo.
     
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