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Why have great apes no acces to trees ?

Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by GiratinaIsGod, 7 Sep 2020.

  1. EsserWarrior

    EsserWarrior Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I assumed they wouldn't be ideal for the apes as well. Keepers wouldn't want the apes eating things that aren't part of their regulated diets.
     
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    No, they aren't :p
     
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    What!? I've been told this my whole life!
     
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    You're thinking of cashew nuts :p
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    Phew, that's a relief. I was starting to think that it must be a really slow-acting toxin and it was just taking me decades to die!
     
  6. gentle lemur

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    No. Raw cashew nut kernels are perfectly edible - although some people do have an allergic reaction. Their shells contain toxic compounds, so always buy the kernels; cooking them is optional.
    When I was lad, many years ago of course, I read Ivan Sanderson' s book about monkeys which said that green nuts are a major part of many monkeys' diets in the wild. I was reminded of this by @ThomasNotTom's photo of a red howler eating green acorns.
     
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    I'm under the impression that the "raw" kernels that can be bought in supermarkets and shops have been steam-treated and as such are not truly raw.
     
  8. dinosauria

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    That's unfortunate, trees would make more naturalistic enclosures. How is tree destruction avoided in the wild?
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    The apes don't live in the same few individual trees constantly.
     
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    gentle lemur Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    I think that in a way we're both right. The shells can be removed after some combination of steaming and roasting, which probably does affect the kernel to some extent. But as far as I know the kernel would be wholesome if the shell could be removed in another way.
     
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    Gorilla mountain at Blackpool Zoo has trees
     
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    Glad I wasn't the only one :D
     
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    I think they can yes, though not sure...they are quite scrubby growth though. This used to be a bare island with rocks, designed for Chamois. The trees have have grown up in recent years so there is nothing mature on there.
     
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    Or you check out the la Vallée des Singes gallery which has this Bonobo enclosure:

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    Their Gorilla and Chimpanzees also have access to plenty of living trees
    La Vallee des Singes - ZooChat

    They can do that because of the huge amount of space they give to their animals...
     
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    Pertinax Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    I see what looks like some dead trees at the back though. Work of the Apes, or something else?
     
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    I've seen great apes given access to dead trees in captivity to climb on in a number of zoos but haven't seen any provision of large live trees.
     
  19. toothlessjaws

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    Melbourne Zoo has a very naturalistic gorilla exhibit with many large mature trees (including some very mature Moreton Bay figs) I'm not sure if all the trees are hot-wired or if the adults just generally don't climb them but I do know that when there are infants in the troop they do have access to the trees. And after a couple of years you really notice the damage. Many, many years back they had three infants all born at once and between them they absolutely trashed the trees. Killed a couple and others took a long to recover and look full again. I've noticed they now make use of a lot of silk floss trees, which have a lovely topical look but no doubt where planted for the thorny trunks which offer a natural climbing deterrent.
     
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  20. Pertinax

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    Yes, it very much depends on the activity levels and number of the inhabitants. Adults of both sexes climb far less(in zoos anyway) and silverbacks hardly at all, but youngsters are a different matter. So the overeall number of young and size of a troop will have a big effect. I've seen Melbourne's enclosure and liked it a lot.