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Discussion in 'Challenges, Quizzes, Competitions & Games' started by ShonenJake13, 31 Dec 2019.

  1. ShonenJake13

    ShonenJake13 Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys!
    First of all, thanks to @Vision and @KevinVar for moderating the Europe challenges so well these past few years, and thanks to them for passing 'the keys' to me!
    So, not only a new year, but a new decade! And what better way to start a new decade than with a new challenge!
    Whilst Island Endemics was a very popular choice last year, to start off my time as a challenge mod I figured it would be best to return to the challenge's roots - a taxonomic group (of sorts)! But since people like broader topics than say, just bears or just penguins, let's go with the broadest (mammalian) topic of all....

    "Miscellaneous Mammals."

    This year’s theme will be Miscellaneous Mammals. This is a group that doesn't get as much love as the classic larger orders of mammals do (mostly), frequently some of these animals are just skipped over because of how 'common' they are (looking at you red-necked wallaby and Linnaeus' two-toed sloth!), so this should be interesting to take part in! Whilst this is a mammals task again my hope is that just like last year, because this theme is very broad, this challenge will reach out to as many people as possible, and make people stop and stare at the smaller critters to be found in various collections!

    To further clarify the theme: any of the following categories count:
    - Monotremata (monotremes)
    - Marsupialia (marsupials)
    - Afrosoricida (tenrecs)
    - Eulipotyphla (shrews/hedgehogs/moles)
    - Macroscelidea (elephant shrews/sengis)
    - Chiroptera (bats)
    - Scandentia (treeshrews)
    - Pilosa (anteaters/sloths)
    - Cingulata (armadillos)
    - Pholidota (pangolins)
    - Lagomorpha (rabbits/hares/pikas)
    - Rodentia (rodents)
    - Tubulidentata (aardvark)
    - Hyracoidea (hyraxes)

    To prevent discussions about taxonomies and certain lists accepting certain splits while others don’t, I will be using IUCN as a reference; in addition to this only species-level will count (so even if you do see both the koalas at Longleat and koalas at any other zoo in Europe, it will only count as one addition). If there is some disagreement about the taxonomic status of zoo-stock (if the species are potential hybrids/potentially listed incorrectly as a different species) then I will count it on a "sensu lato" basis, though I can't picture any species off the top of my head where this should be a problem.

    As is always the way, the same set of challenge rules apply, with credits to Shorts for originally coming up with them:
    1. You have to actually see the animal, even if just for a second. You don't score if you visit a collection but don't see the animal (harsh, but fair);
    2. Proof via photographs is not required, your word is your bond;
    3. You have to see the animal via normal public access (i.e. not including zookeeper for the day or photography days behind the scenes) during normal public opening hours (i.e. no scoring because you know the keeper and can get access before/after hours). Basically the species has to be seen as Joe Public would (so sorry to anyone who was planning an offshow to Plzen, it won't count ;));
    4. Only collections located in what is geographically Europe will count in this challenge (including Iceland, the UK, Ireland, the Mediterranean islands, but excluding Georgia, Russia, Azerbaijan and Turkey to avoid conflicts about what is and isn't 'Europe.')
    5. Report/update your progress on this thread as you go along;
    6. The winner will be deemed to be the person(s) who's seen the most at 31st December 2020;
    7. My decision on any questions is final, but I am open to discussion and debate on any specific points.

    This challenge is solely for fun, but this year there will be a prize.....a virtual cake! It's like a real cake but well....virtual.
    Cheers all, hope everyone has a great time, and let's kick this decade off with a blast!
     
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  2. KevinVar

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    Very nice challenge, Jake! I wasn't planning on keeping a list but since this challenge covers such interesting groups I'll try to keep up for as long as I can. :)
     
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  3. ThomasNotTom

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    Okay, I like this! I'll be off to a somewhat decent start by the end of the week with a trip to Newquay tomorrow, and then Paignton on Thursday (for work). Might squeeze in another this weekend to get the ball rolling!
     
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    Just a question on forehand so there's clarity about the following;
    Do domestic variations of species that are included in here count towards the challenge or only the ''wild'' forms?
    e.g; rabbits, guineapigs, fancy mice and domestic brown rats.
     
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  5. ShonenJake13

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    Great question! If we go by Zootierliste (something I wouldn't normally do but will do in this case as it nicely sums up which domestics have been seen in zoos before) there are only 10 taxa relevant to this thread that have been kept in domesticated forms. These are the European rabbit, Brazilian guinea pig, southern multimammate mouse, house mouse, brown rat, Mongolian gerbil, degu, chinchilla, nutria and Eurasian red squirrel.
    My ruling is as follows: any of these domesticated taxa count but cannot be counted along with the wild form. For example, say I visited Jihlava Zoo which has both domestic and true Brazilian guinea pigs, I could only count the taxon once. For the majority of the above the wild form is more common in zoos anyway, I can only see rabbits, guinea pigs and chinchillas being more likely to be encountered in their domestic forms. So there is the rule, just like subspecies :)
     
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  6. TeaLovingDave

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    For consistency's sake I reckon this is the best course of action, yes :) but for accuracy's sake I'll note that Brazilian Guinea Pig (although colloquially called wild-form Guinea Pig) isn't actually the species which the domestic Guinea Pig arises from - Cavia tschudii is.
     
  7. ShonenJake13

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    Interesting!
    I am also aware that some sources class it as its own species now - Cavia porcellus. Either way on most zoo signs it is listed as Cavia aperea porcellus so, just to prevent other domestics from being counted as separate species too, we'll stick with domestic guinea pigs falling under the same category as Brazilians for this challenge :)
     
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  8. TeaLovingDave

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    Yep, as I said above it's worth treating it as the same thing for consistency's sake :) prevents confusion and people trying to slip things in twice!

    If I recall correctly, one of the big giveaways is that when domestic and apella interbreed, female offspring are infertile.
     
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    Miscellaneous mammals is an excellent category and whoever dreamed it up is very smart, and probably very good looking too. :p
     
  10. ShonenJake13

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    In fairness I was going to go with ‘small mammals’, but figured that there would be a lot of debate surrounding the subject of what constitutes a small mammal (as giant anteaters and red kangaroos, whilst fitting to the above groups, are not small) and whether or not nocturnal primates, mustelids, mouse deer and so on would have to be included. So I changed the name to miscellaneous ;)
     
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    Miscellaneous is just a great word to use anyway. The word itself is made up of a bunch of miscellaneous letters! It is what it says.
     
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    Chester Zoo- 01/01/2020

    1) Belanger's Tree Shrew (Tupaia belangeri)
    2) Northern Luzon Cloud Rat (Phloeomys pallidus)
    3) Swinhoe's Striped Squirrel (Tamiops swinhoei)
    4) Cape Porcupine (Hystrix africaeaustralis)
    5) Rock Hyrax (Procavia capensis)
    6) Aardvark (Orycteropus afer)
    7) Prevost's Squirrel (Callosciurus prevostii)
    8) Goodfellow’s Tree Kangaroo (Dendrolagus goodfellowi)
    9) Dusky Pademelon (Thylogale brunii)
    10) Rodrigues Fruit Bat (Pteropus rodricensis)
    11) Seba's Short-tailed Bat (Carollia perspicillata)
    12) African Pygmy Mouse (Mus minutoides)
    13) Short-eared Elephant Shrew (Macroscelides proboscideus)
    14) Linne's Two-toed Sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
    15) Azara's Agouti (Dasyprocta azarae)
    16) Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochoerus)
    17) Greater Hedgehog Tenrec (Setifer setosus)
     
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    Newquay Zoo - 01/01/2020.

    1. Six-banded Armadillo, Euphractus sexcinctus.
    2. Azara's Agouti, Dasyprocta azarae.
    3. Swinhoe's Striped Squirrel, Tamiops swinhoei.
    4. Capybara, Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris.
    5. Hoffman's Two-toed Sloth, Choloepus hoffmanni.
    6. Prevost's Squirrel, Callosciurus prevostii.
    7. Eurasian Harvest Mouse, Micromys minutus.
    8. Brazilian Guinea Pig, Cavia aperea.
    9. Parma Wallaby, Macropus parma.

    Paignton tomorrow, so I should be adding Lesser Tenrec, Short-beaked Echidna and Western Grey Kangaroo (If the work to their exhibit has been completed).
     
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    *angry noises*
     
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    Exmoor zoo 1/1/20
    1. Bennet’s wallaby
    2. Dusky pademelon
    3. Eastern grey kangaroo
    4. Long nosed potoroo
    5. Rock hyrax
    6. Lesser hedgehog tenrec
    7. Azara’s agouti
    8. Capybara
    9. Prevost’s squirrel
    10. Swamp wallaby
    11. Patagonian Mara
     
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    Paignton zoo - 02/01/2020

    10. Short-beaked Echidna, Tachyglossus aculeatus (Bruce).
    11. Lesser Hedgehog Tenrec, Echinops telfairi.

    No luck with the Kangaroo yet... I'll see them eventually :rolleyes:
     
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    Linton zoo 2/1/2020

    1 Eastern Quoll - Dasyurus viverrinus
    2 Parma Wallaby - Notamacropus parma
    3 Red-necked wallaby - Notamacropus rufogriseus
    4 Red kangaroo - Osphranter rufus
    5 Azaras agouti - Dasyprocta azarae
    6 Southern African Porcupine - Hystrix africaeaustralis
    7 Six-banded Armadillo - Euphractus sexcinctus
    8 Greater Hedgehog Tenrec - Setifer setosus
     
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    So I'm gonna most of copy @pipaluk's list as I actually had a quick visit to Linton this afternoon. Didn't see the greater tenrec so will cross that one off though.

    Linton Zoo 02/01/2020:

    1. Eastern Quoll - Dasyuras viverrinus
    2. Parma Wallaby - Notamacropus parma
    3. Red-necked wallaby - Notamacropus rufogriseus
    4 Red kangaroo - Osphranter rufus
    5 Azaras agouti - Dasyprocta azarae
    6 Southern African Porcupine - Hystrix africaeaustralis
    7. Six-banded Armadillo - Euphractus sexcinctus
     
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    Zoo Jihlava 02/01/2019

    1. Patagonian mara (Dolichotis patagonum)
    2. Linnaeus's two-toed sloth (Choloepus didactylus)
    3. Brazilian guinea pig (Cavia aperea) + Domestic guinea pig
    4. Rock cavy (Kerodon rupestris)
    5. Southern three-banded armadillo (Tolypeutes matacus)
    6. Capybara (Hydrochoerus hydrochaeris)
    7. Chacoan mara (Dolichotis salinicola)
    8. Rodrigues fruit bat (Pteropus rodricensis)
    9. New Guinea ground cuscus (Phalanger gymnotis leucippus)
    10. Brush-tailed bettong (Bettongia penicillata)
    11. Striped possum (Dactylopsila trivirgata)
    12. Rakali, Hydromys chrysogaster
    13. Kowari (Dasyuroides byrnei)
    14. Sugar glider (Petaurus breviceps)
    15. Red kangaroo (Macropus rufus)
    16. Dusky pademelon (Thylogale brunii)
    17. Common brushtail possum (Trichosurus vulpecula)
    18. Long-nosed potoroo (Potorous tridactylus)
    19. Lesser bamboo rat (Cannomys badius)
    20. Gundi (Ctenodactylus gundi)
    21. Malagasy giant rat (Hypogeomys antimena)
    22. Lesser Hedgehog Tenrec, Echinops telfairi.
    23. African brush-tailed porcupine (Atherurus africanus)
    24. Indian crested porcupine (Hystrix indica)
    25. Northern Luzon Cloud Rat (Phloeomys pallidus)
    26. Pallas's squirrel (Callosciurus erythraeus)

    EDIT: Merging Brazilian and Domestic guinea pig after reminder by @ShonenJake13
     
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  20. ShonenJake13

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    What a lead, right out of the gate!!!!!

    One edit: you have both Brazilian and domestic guinea pig listed. For this challenge these both count as the same taxon, so you will have to remove one from the list :)