Also: You're allowed to vote whichever way you want and that's fine, if you think Wroclaw deserves to win on species alone then that's your choice. I can't say the species list isn't a great one and Wroclaw doesn't have all horrible enclosures so I can't really blame you. I do feel you're being a bit overly aggressive and disingenuous in your posts here, though. You've never visited either zoo and according to your own posts you didn't know what animals either zoo held, you just voted for Wroclaw because you figured it might have more species (see above quotes) and then seemingly got angry when people didn't vote your way based on those (admittedly correct) assumptions along without any arguments or data to back it up. Additionally Omaha does not have "a couple better enclosures", it has A LOT of better enclosures. Not to mention many enclosures that knock the socks off of pretty much any zoo. I'm not going to continue debating this with you here, but in the future if you want a certain zoo to win it might be more beneficial to your cause to actually make arguments and provide evidence as opposed to making blanket statement you clearly don't know are true and then being passive aggressive with people who aren't seeing what you're seeing. ~Thylo
What is your problem mate? Get over it! Now who is being aggressive? How many of the 24 people voting for Omaha have been there either?! I'm not angry who anyone votes for, I will leave the cup to those it matters to in future, but 115 to 50 species is a hammering in my book. I don't think I should be criticised because I have a different opinion!
For those who haven't been to either collection, or just one, here are a few photos to give you a general idea. Thanks to @Echobeast and a few others Starting with Omaha: (Gaur) (Sloth bear) (Snow leopard) (Takin and goral) (Amur tiger) Wroclaw up next
Since I have been accused of making assumptions, I feel it necessary to refer you to this statement. Any assumptions I may or may not have made after consulting Zootierliste were at least proved to be correct. The bold statement made in the quote (based on assumption clearly) has been shown to be totally incorrect as Omaha does not have a larger collection at all, far from it!
Wroclaw: Thanks to @Neva and @Arek (Clouded leopard) (Eurasian otter) (Snow leopard - exhibit larger but not in rest of photo) (Indian rhino and what I think is a Pileated gibbon?) Thanks, AL
They do not. Additionally, he posted mainly photos already included in this thread However the Snow Leopard photos are good additions, I forgot to include those ones Additionally here is the entire elephant yard at Wroclaw: Unfortunately there are no photos of the indoors on ZooChat. ~Thylo
It wasn't an assumption, I based my species list for Wroclaw the same way I did for Omaha: species I'd noted as having seen on-exhibit + any additional species I knew they kept that I hadn't seen. This method gave me a higher total of species for Omaha than Wroclaw, however I had forgotten about a good few mammals such as the chevrotain and I believe there have been further arrivals since my 2018 visit which makes up for the discrepancy. I try to be as accurate as possible when compiling my posts but sometimes I miss things. Either way, thanks to @ShonenJake13 for giving an accurate species list and, yes, proving me wrong ~Thylo
That said, if one counts off-display species - which @pipaluk is presumably doing given his remarks that the Bear Cuscus at Wroclaw earns it one point single-handedly - then the odds are pretty good that Omaha will end up with a lot more reptiles on their docket, swinging the "total species" pendulum the other way once again
Fair enough although this means you now have to admit that Omaha possibly does have the larger overall collection if one includes offshow species, and thus given the fact that: ...you should theoretically now vote in favour of Omaha
Certainly I was heading for a train and (having recently visited Wroclaw) was familiar enough with it that I knew it merited *some* points, but didn't have time to read up on Omaha, so voted 2-1 Wroclaw as a placeholder. Once I had a chance to read more (and compare photos from Omaha with the exhibitry I'd seen at Wroclaw) I made a more informed judgement. Wroclaw is a very nice collection with some very good exhibits, but it really is a zoo of two halves; the newer areas are as noted very good, but many of the older areas are very bad.
So you based your vote on assumption then! Thank you for your honesty. I didn't vote until Thylo posted his list for Omaha.
For what it’s worth I thought you *all* voted in accordance with the rules. Made a vote, explained the reasoning when asked = no problems that I can see.
