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ZooChat Cup Group H: Dallas v Prague

Discussion in 'ZooChat Cup' started by CGSwans, 7 Oct 2019.

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Dallas v Prague: Primates

Poll closed 10 Oct 2019.
  1. Dallas 3-0 Prague

    0 vote(s)
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  2. Dallas 2-1 Prague

    0 vote(s)
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  3. Prague 2-1 Dallas

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  4. Prague 3-0 Dallas

    19.4%
  1. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Both zoos need these one after losing their first matches. Primates.

    A little refresher on the rules:
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  2. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Dallas
    -Golden Lion Tamarin
    -Kikuyu Black-and-White Colobus
    -Dusky Leaf Monkey
    -Western Lowland Gorilla
    -Common Chimpanzee (non-sub)
    -Northern White-Cheeked Gibbon
    -Ring-Tailed Lemur

    Prague
    -Mexican Spider Monkey
    -Spix's Moustached Tamarin
    -Southern Pig-Tailed Macaque
    -Barbary Macaque
    -Northern Talapoin
    -Western Lowland Gorilla
    -Sumatran Orangutan
    -Javan Gibbon
    -White-Fronted Lemur
    -Ring-Tailed Lemur
    -Sunda Slow Loris

    So this one's Dallas with 7 vs Praha with 11 species. Primates are neither zoos strong suit, but both do ok with them. I'm going to vote 2-1 Prague on this one, simply do to the fact that Dallas has a relatively standard collection, with their only oddity (the langur) being an AZA phase-out and therefore unlikely to remain in the collection for long. Prague's Barbary Macaque enclosure is also one of the best primate habitats I have ever seen, a fraction of which can be seen here.

    ~Thylo
     
  3. Coelacanth18

    Coelacanth18 Well-Known Member Premium Member 5+ year member

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    Also Emperor Tamarin, which is currently a rare species in North America (although they are trying to regrow the population now).
     
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  4. snowleopard

    snowleopard Well-Known Member 15+ year member Premium Member

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    I've visited Dallas Zoo twice (2010 and 2015) and the primate exhibits there are quite impressive. The Lowland Gorilla and Chimpanzee habitats are excellent, but does the zoo no longer have Mandrills? (Those monkeys were shifted elsewhere at one point). Also, at one time there were 3 lemur species all together in a single exhibit. The down-sized collection in Dallas, and the very nice Prague Zoo exhibits in the ZooChat gallery, gives me the confidence to vote for the European zoo.

    2-1 Prague Zoo
     
  5. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Afaik the Mandrills left very recently, or at least they were set to. If they're not gone now they will be before too long.

    ~Thylo
     
  6. Coelacanth18

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    Any idea why?
     
  7. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Cheetahs moved into their enclosure to make room for a new carnivore species.

    ~Thylo
     
  8. sooty mangabey

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    Prague also maintain various Galago species: Moholi, Garnett’s and Senegal.
     
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  9. lintworm

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    As well as Squirrel monkeys, Colobus monkeys and Mouse lemurs.
     
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  10. vogelcommando

    vogelcommando Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I've been only once at Prague and never to Dallas and to be honest, when talking about Prague, primates are not the first group you connected this zoo with. If I think however a little more about the collection I remember the very nice Oran-utang enclosure and the beautifull Javan gibbons on their island. Also liked the Northern talapoin and the Southern pig-tailed macaque.
    Know very little about the Dallas collection but from what I've read here I made it a 2 - 1 win for Prague.
     
  11. ThylacineAlive

    ThylacineAlive Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Not sure how I managed to forget about the bushbabies and mouse lemurs but yes even more to add to Prague's list. Iirc Prague is a main breeder and distributer for Mohol Bushbaby correct? I'm pretty sure at some some of the US stock came from them. And is it the Ganzhorn's or Goodman's Mouse Lemurs they have?

    ~Thylo
     
  12. TeaLovingDave

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    Ganzhorn's :)
     
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    While I am still a big fan of ABC animals (shown by my protest to anti-ABC sentiments on this website), I am going to have to give this one to Prague. Rarities are pretty much always going to win out against the more typical zoo collection of Dallas. I give this 3-0 Prague.
     
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  14. HOMIN96

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    Although I'm not sure about their current stock as during my last visit they were signed, but the exhibit lacked any signs of their presence (no nest boxes, no food bowls,...), You did spot them or not?
     
  15. twilighter

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    On my visit on Sunday the Ganzhorn's mouse lemur was signed in a shared exhibit with Giant gumping rat, but did not show up.
     
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  16. TeaLovingDave

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    We didn't - but I suspect they must still be present given the fact that the signage elsewhere in that house *was* being updated between the 23rd Sept (my first visit during the trip) and the 4th Oct (my second visit), with the removal/change of signage for one or two invertebrates and amphibians. As such, I think were the lemurs gone, the signage would have been removed or replaced.
     
  17. pangolin12

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    By any chance do you know whether cologne’s lemurs are goodman’s or ganzhorn’s? And are all the goodman’s at plzen ganzhorn’s?
     
  18. TeaLovingDave

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    Cologne's lemurs are all Goodman's, as are all the lemurs identified as such at Plzen :) the animals at Plzen which were re-identified as Ganzhorn's are those which were previously believed to have been Grey Mouse Lemur.
     
  19. pangolin12

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    Thank you!