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ZooChat Cup Match #47: Paignton vs Paris

Discussion in 'ZooChat Cup' started by CGSwans, 18 Apr 2018.

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Carnivores

Poll closed 21 Apr 2018.
  1. Paignton

    29.4%
  2. Paris Vincennes

    70.6%
  1. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Two zoos that both made it this far by catching more fancied opponents off-suit. Paignton thrashed Nuremberg 25-0 on primates, and Paris wasn't much more troubled by Duisburg on mammals, 19-4. Now one will go through to the third round, where a rather bigger challenge awaits.

    This time? Carnivores.

    Tomorrow: Rotterdam vs Leipzig.
     
  2. pipaluk

    pipaluk Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Not Paignton's strongest category , but most of their enclosures are good. I'll wait for the species list, but I make it 10-8 to Paris and slightly more variety. This could go either way. ...
     
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  3. FBBird

    FBBird Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Trying to think what Paignton have in carnivores, without looking @ Zootierliste. Asian Lion, Sumatran Tiger, Cheetah, Maned Wolf, Coati, Meerkat........
     
  4. pipaluk

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    Red Panda, Cusimanse
     
  5. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    And by 'mammals' I mean 'birds'. oops.
     
  6. lintworm

    lintworm Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    So the species lists:

    Both:
    Lion (Paignton: Asian lion and Paris "Barbary" lion), Meerkat

    Paignton:
    South-African cheetah, Sumatran tiger
    Dark cusimanse
    South-American coati
    Nepalese red panda
    Maned wolf

    Paris Vincennes:
    Chilean cougar, Northern lynx, Jaguar
    Fossa
    Bush dog, Iberian wolf
    Wolverine
    South-American sea lion

    So both don't have especially big collections and miss some obvious animals like otters. To me Paris' collection is the more interesting though....

    Edit: according to ZTL there are no otters in Paris, but European otter are listed on their map... Is this a ZTL error?
     
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  7. Brum

    Brum Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    I'm going to vote for Paris. I love Paignton but carnivores aren't really it's strongest hand, and the cheetah enclosure leaves a lot to be desired as it's quite cramped and on a narrow, dead-end path which can't be good for the cat.
    And Paris has a solid collection, just lacking tigers, hyaenas and a bear species to tick all the (expected) boxes whilst still having fosa, wolverine and bush dog, along with rarer (zoo-wise) subspecies of puma and grey wolf. On the other hand Paignton has Kusimanse and a lot of meh species from an enthusiasts point of view.
    Neither collection breaks any new ground with their exhibits for carnivores so I have based my vote mainly on collection for this match-up and Paris wins.
     
  8. Joker1706

    Joker1706 Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    @lintworm:

    European Otters (Lutra lutra lutra) are mentioned for Paris-Vincennes in the ZTL...
     
  9. FBBird

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    If one considers the three Whitley Trust collections together, the carnivore section looks much stronger, adding ASCO, African Fur Seal, Owston's Civet, Narrow-striped Mongoose, Carpathian Lynx, Fishing Cat and African Lion. Until recently there were Fossa and Yellow Mongoose too.
     
  10. lintworm

    lintworm Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    They are now, but were under former holdings 1.5 hours ago.... I put them under current holdings, as the website has current info on them.
     
  11. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Which one will of course not do for the purposes of this competition. ;)
     
  12. lintworm

    lintworm Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    In that case we would add Obterre and Paris Jardin des Plantes to Vincennes and Paignton would be at a disadvantage again :p
     
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