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ZooChat Cup Match 8: Tallinn v Vienna (8)

Discussion in 'ZooChat Cup' started by CGSwans, 4 Mar 2018.

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Primates: Vienna or Tallinn?

Poll closed 11 Mar 2018.
  1. Tallinn

    4.0%
  2. Vienna

    96.0%
  1. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member

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    Tallinn will have been hoping for ungulates, but unfortunately for them the category to beat the number eight seed in is... primates. As it is the two collections are broadly comparable, so if you've seen and admired Tallinn's primate exhibits I'm available for convincing.

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  2. lintworm

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    In terms of collection size it is not a big difference, with 12 species for Tallinn and 11 for Vienna. Both zoos don't have huge rarities with Stump-tailed macaque and King colobus for Tallinn and Vienna respectively as biggest draws for the zoo-nerd.

    I don't know the enclosures in Tallinn but the few that are in the Zoochat gallery are nothing special, whereas Vienna keeps most primates in two renovated old Baroque buildings, the Primate house and the Orangerie. Based on that the enclosures in Vienna are way superior in Tallinn, but I would like to hear more about Tallinn from someone who has actually visited.
     
  3. Dassie rat

    Dassie rat Well-Known Member

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    Both: Bearded emperor tamarin; pygmy marmoset
    Tallinn: Stump-tailed and Japanese macaques; grivet monkey; cherry-crowned mangabey; common chimpanzee; black and white ruffed lemur; Senegal bushbaby; common marmoset; white-fronted lemur
    Vienna: King colobus; Barbary macaque; Bornean orang-utan; common squirrel monkey; ring-tailed lemur; cotton-top tamarin; red ruffed lemur; Goeldi's monkey

    Tallinn just wins this one.
     
  4. FunkyGibbon

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    Part of Tallinn is the worst zoo I have visited in Europe, and I don't think it's unfair to say it goes toe to toe with the worst I've seen in Asia. The chimps (3) have a moated exhibit that they can't use for half of the year and a tiny indoors. The Japanese macaques have a functional but ugly cage. The tamarins and marmosets are at least reasonably housed. I'm pretty sure some of the lemurs were in the cages adapted from barracks buildings which are truly woeful.

    I've not been to Vienna, but I think ''Europe's best zoo' can do a little better....

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    After looking at both zoos' enclosures and numbers of primates, I'd vote for Vienna.
     
  6. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member

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    FunkyGibbon's excellent post reinforces how important it can be for people who have visited some of the lesser-known zoos to post, explaining why they are/aren't supporting them. I suspect Vienna would be winning anyway, but you wouldn't be seeing such a decisive result based only on ZTL species lists.
     
  7. pipaluk

    pipaluk Well-Known Member

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    Having seen the Tallinn enclosures, I feel I have to vote for Vienna . What I will say though is Vienna is lucky who it was put against! For a seeded(top 8) zoo it's primate list is very poor, probably 75% of the zoos in the contest would beat Vienna on primates!
     
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  8. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member

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    This is part of the fun. Vienna's probability of getting through the rest of the tournament without having to play on primates again is only about 40%. It doesn't need just one Tallinn - it's more likely than not to need two of them.
     
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  9. pipaluk

    pipaluk Well-Known Member

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    Let's put it this way, of the 9 UK zoos in the contest, only Whipsnade wouldn't beat Vienna!! I hope Whipsnade hasn't been given primates, it only has 4!!
     
  10. FunkyGibbon

    FunkyGibbon Well-Known Member

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    Well Vienna, assuming it wins, will get a new category next round so it's likely ok.
     
  11. CGSwans

    CGSwans Well-Known Member

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    Correction: It has an 83% probability of getting a new category.
     
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