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Carpathian red deer

Carpathian red deer
vogelcommando, 25 Sep 2016
    • vogelcommando
      May 5 2016. Not sure about the species.
    • AthleticBinturong
      I think its Carpathian red deer
    • vogelcommando
      Think you are right longleat diego, this species is living in the mixes enclosure I took the photos !I was first thinking of one of the deer species from the far east but now I realize I had to look a little bit more close to home, thanks !
    • lintworm
      A red deer it is, but why not a normal (western) European red deer....
    • vogelcommando
      Because Beekse Bergen keeps Carpathian red deers.
    • lintworm
      I do not know of any subspecies called Carpathian red deer and google doesn't give any answer either, butI assume you mean C. elaphus hippelaphus (which is possibly no different than C. elaphus elaphus), that one is normally called central European red deer. Groves even attributes C. elaphus to species status, but making no distinction between the spanish, western en central European populations. He however splits the species from eastern Europe (Balkans, Romania etc.) into C. pannoniensis, but I find the evidence not too big. Problem is that both proposed species possibly meet in the Carpathians, so a Carpathian red deer could be anything, according to which taxonomy you follow...
    • Kifaru Bwana
      I sincerely thought the red deer had been Central European C. elapses hippelaphus all along. Source of your info? Any background documentation?

      They also have some white-lipped deer Cervus albirostris.
    • vogelcommando
      I used the name Zootierliste uses and this is Carpathian but the scientific name is indeed C. e. hippelaphus so Central European red deer would indeed make more sence !
      @ Kifaru Bwana : SBB indeed has white-lipped deers but these are kept in another enclosure as were I took the pictures of these animals.
    • Kifaru Bwana
      Hi, vogelcommando ... it is all more or less semantics.

      I found this paper on genetics of European red deer (atlanticus-Norway, scoticus-UK/Scotland, germanicus-Indo-European and elaphus nominate-Sweden). Atlanticus and scoticus somewhat align as do elaphus and germanicus.

      Link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6668220


      One should of course note that there has been inadvertent admixture of scoticus into Oostvaardersplassen, into parts of Sweden and scoticus is not all pure-bred after genetic hybridization with northern sikas.
    • lintworm
      If I remember correctly also animals from Sweden were introduced to the OVP....
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