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Discussion in 'Speculative Zoo Design and Planning' started by HungarianBison, 21 Jan 2022.

  1. HungarianBison

    HungarianBison Well-Known Member

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    Hi Zoochatters,
    To be honest, I literally stopped making fantasy zoos in the last year, partly because the fantasy zoo section here became almost meaningless with dumb games and not really detailed zoos. But there were/are some treasures, for example one of my inspirations, @Haliaeetus's speculative zoo:).
    Fortunately mods and Sim recognizef the problem and made this subforum much better. Fortunately some lately inactive members started making fantasy zoos again. (@amur leopard, @KevinB )
    Inspired by them and some of my older fantasy zoos which were showed the fauna of a few biological hotspots, I decided to make a detailed speculative zoo.
    My imagined insitution is nearby Milan, because I think it's strange that there's no major zoo in a city with more than a million inhabitants. Milan's climate is humid subtropical (Cfa on Koppen's scale), yearly average temperature is 13 Celsius degrees. Therefore the more acclimatisable tropical animals don't need heated houses.
    The area of my zoo is 30 hectares.
    I've chosen 9 interesting and threatened ecoregions, which are the followings:
    -Caucasus mixed forests
    -Northeast Congolian lowland rainforests
    -Japurá-Solimoes-Negro moist forests
    -Northern Swahili coastal forests
    -Eastern Himalayan subalpine conifer forests
    -Sumatran lowland rainforests
    -South New Guinea lowland rainforests
    -South Central Rocky Mountains forests
    -Patagonian steppes
    Feel free to ask your questions:)
    To be continued with the full species list.
    HB
     
  2. Jana

    Jana Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    I am looking forward to this.

    Location nearby Milan is a very good choice, high density local population plus massive number of tourists with 2 (3) major airports around, wealthy potential sponsors (automotive, fashion brands...). With a few downsizes like smog during winter, weaker public transport (thus you need to plan with larger car park) and locals not used to visit zoos frequently (increase your budget for advertisement to reach foreign tourists).

    Your choice of ecoregions on display is nice, but maybe throw in at least one desert or swamp location to make it more diverse. And if there could be one nice flamingo flock included...

    Do you plan zoo map that would include also visitors and staff amenities? How about something like rough investment plan (with pricetags), plan of staff including seasonal hospitality etc, you know - that boring economic side of things. Will you include some hard to get species or use only animals that can be easily sourced now within EAZA/private breeders?
     
  3. HungarianBison

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    Hi!
    I didn't even know about half of the details you mentioned Milan to be honest. I just thought: wow, there's a city with 1.3 million inhabitants, and they have no zoo! Their climate is quite nice, and a huge amount of tourists visit Milan. Let's put my zoo into this place!:D
    Thanks for the things about Milan you mentioned.
    Yes, I intend to do a detailed zoo map.
    Economic side? Well, I've never seen plans about it in any speculative zoo on ZC, so I'm not sure I'll do it.
    On species list, I'd like to avoid Haliaeetus's mistake, so I'd only keep animals which are kept in some European zoos or easily achievable from the aquarist shop on the corner:D
     
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  4. KevinB

    KevinB Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I appreciate the details you already mentioned, as they show that you are doing quite good research.

    I also think your selection of ecoregions is quite nice, as you have selected some that aren't as well known or well-represented in zoos, and as you have included both dry and moist and tropical and temperate ecoregions.

    I am looking forward to seeing your designs and ideas, and I will be following this thread.

    I do have one suggestion: if any ecoregions perhaps proves to offer too few available species, I would suggest perhaps including some species not currently found in European zoos, but that are related to species that are, and thus could probably conceivably be kept in zoos.
     
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    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Milan had a mediocre zoo in 1983. The only interesting species I remember was a Cape fox. The Natural History Museum was interesting. I remember a model of a Tanystropheus. Tanystropheus and Askeptosaurus
     
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  6. HungarianBison

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    Species list of the South Central Rockies forests ecoregion
    If more than one species are in the same row this means that they have common enclosure (mixed species exhibit)
    I showed key species with bold.

    Mammals
    Canis lupus occidentalis+Ursus americanus
    Procyon lotor+Erethizon dorsatum
    Lynx rufus
    Castor canadensis
    Tamias sibiricus (non-native, replacement of Tamias minimus)
    Tamiasciurus hudsonicus
    Bison bison bison+Cervus canadensis nelsoni

    Birds
    Aix sponsa+Spatula clypeata+Anas platyrhyncos+Anas acuta+Histrionicus histrionicus+Pelecanus erythorhyncos
    Grus canadensis
    Cathartes aura
    Haliaeetus leucocephalus
    Strix nebolusa
    Meleagris gallopavo
    Cyanocitta cristatus (not kept in Europe, import is needed)

    Reptiles
    Pituophis catenifer
    Crotalus viridis

    Don't worry, I will make detailed descriptions about the exhibits after the completion of the whole species list.
     
  7. CrashMegaraptor

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    This is only one ecoregion and it sounds interesting already. Certainly seems like a strong animal roster so far.
     
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    The next part of the species list is Patagonian steppe. Key species are still bold.
    Dolichotis patagonum+Lama guanicoe+Rhea pennata
    Lagidium viscacia
    Arctocephalus australis


    Spheniscus magellanicus+Tachyeres pterenes
    Spatula cyanoptera+Cygnus melanocoryphus+Coscoroba coscoroba+Mareca sybilatrix+Chloephaga picta+Phoenicopterus chilensis (@Jana here comes your flamingo flock;))
    Condor gryphus
    Athene cunicularia
    Podiceps gallardoi
    Cyanoliseus patagonicus
    Next items of the species list will be animals from Japurá-Solimoes-Negro moist forests.
     
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    Hoping to see a few monkeys in the next one. Perhaps a capuchin? My mother loves capuchins. X3
     
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    Japurá-Solimoes-Negro moist forests species list
    Choloepus didactylus+Saguinus labiatus+Ancistrus temnickii+Carnegiella strigata+Corydoras aeneus+Hemigrammus hyanuary (paludarium)
    Tamandua tetradactyla+Mico chrysoleucos (not kept in European zoos, import is needed)
    Ateles paniscus+Dasyprocta agouti+Crax alector
    Saimiri sciurius+Pithecia pithecia+Dasyprocta agouti
    Carollia perspcillata+Cuniculus paca
    Desmodus rotundus
    Speothos venaticus
    Panthera onca
    Eira barbara
    Pteronura brasiliensis
    Hydrovhaerus hydrochaeris+Podocnemis expansa
    Eupryga helias
    Mycteria americana+Dendrocygna viduata+Cairina moschata+Cochlearius cochlearius+Eudocimus ruber+Platalea ajaja
    Harpia harpyja
    Ramphastos tucanus
    Pulsatrix perspcillata
    Aratinga nanday+Dasyprocta agouti
    Ara ararauna+Ara chloroptera+Saimiri sciurius
    Corallus caninus
    Boa constrictor
    Lachesis muta
    Iguana iguana
    Tupinambis teguexin
    Melanosuchus niger
    Chelus fimbriatus
    Basiliscus basiliscus
    Arapaima gigas+Colossoma macropomum
    Electrophorus electricus
    Astronotus ocellatus
    Heros severus+Plecostomus
    Monocirrhus polyacanthus
    Anostomus ternetzi+Hyphessobrycon pulchripinnis+Paracheirodon axelrodi+Pterophyllum altum+Symphsodon discus+Plecostomus
    Pygocentrus nattereri
    Next part is Caucasus mixed forests.
     
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    Caucasus mixed forests species list
    Hemiechinus auritus
    Micromys minutus
    Sciurus anomalus
    Capra cylindricornis
    Rupicapra rupicapra rupicapra (to replace R. rupicapra caucasica)
    Panthera tigris altaica (to replace P. tigris virgata)
    Panthera pardus tulliana/saxicolor/ciscaucasica (what is the correct scientific name???)
    Felis chaus
    Hyaena hyaena
    Vormela peregrusna

    Anas strepera+Aythya ferina+Bucephala clangula+Cygnus cygnus+Platalea leucorodia
    Gypaetus barbatus
    Tetrao mlokosiewiczi (not kept in European zoos, import is needed)
    Bubo bubo

    Mertensiella caucasica
    Vipera kaznakovi

    Next part is East Himalayan subalpine conifer forests.
     
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    Really hoping to see Ailurus fulgens in the next batch. X3
     
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    Tulliana should result in being the correct scientific name for this species. I also wanted to mention that the species lists that you have shown so far, have quite been intriguing to me; and thus, they have certainly made your thread become one of my favorite speculative zoo threads that I have seen in recent months.
     
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    @HungarianBison - in order to meet the new rules/requirements for the SpecZoo subforum, you need to be producing something a little more detailed and involving more thought than mere species lists - as presented thus far, this thread doesn't meet the rules!
     
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    @OstrichMania I had already seen that post, believe it or not. Nonetheless, promises that the thread *will* eventually meet the rules even if this isn't being bothered with initially are, more or less, meaningless until backed up with action :p
     
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    Ah, I see. Just thought you hadn't seen it, my mistake.
     
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    Here are the remaining parts of the species list in one post. @TeaLovingDave I've already started to do the detailed description of So. Central Rockies forests, hopefully it'll be done by today evening.
    East Himalayan subalpine conifer forests
    Ailurus fulgens styani (not kept in European zoos, American import is needed)+Muntiacus muntjac
    Budorcas taxicolor+Moschus moschiferius (to replace M. chrysogaster)+Grus nigricollis+Anser indicus
    Neofelis nebulosa
    Macaca mulatta
    Naemorhadus goral+Hemitragus jemlahicus
    Tragopan satyra
    Lophophorus impejanus
    Gyps himalayensis
    Aquila nipalensis
    Gracula religiosa+Leiothrix argentauris+Pyconotus jocosus

    Northern Swahili coastal forests
    Colobus angolensis palliatus+Cephalophus natalensis
    Chlorocebus pygerythrus (kept in only one insitution in Europe, import is probably needed)+Tragelaphus imberbis
    Hystrix africaeaustralis+Helogale parvula
    Heterohyrax brucei+Eilodon helvum+Tockus deckeni
    Galago senegalensis
    Rhynchocyon petersi
    Aepyceros melampus+Hippotragus niger+Equus quagga granti+Acryllium vulturinum
    Panthera leo
    Lycaon pictus
    Civettictis civetta
    Alopochen aegyptica+Balearica gibbericeps+Scopus umbretta+Mycteria ibis
    Gyps rueppeli
    Agapornis personatus+Oena capensis+Crinifer concolor
    Trioceros jacksoni
    Dendroaspis angusticeps

    Sumatran lowland rainforests
    Pongo abelii+Symphalangus syndactylus
    Macaca fascicularis
    Ursus malayanus+Arctictis binturong
    Callosciurus prevostii
    Tupaia glis
    Hemigalus derbyanus (kept in only one insitution in Europe, import is probably needed)
    Nycticebus coucang
    Garrulax leucophus+Rollulus roulroul+Gallus gallus+Pitta moluccensis+Psittacula alexanderi
    Buceros bicornis
    Leptoptilos javanicus
    Tomistoma schlegeli
    Gekko gecko
    Python reticulatus
    Ophiophagus hannah
    Varanus salvator
    Boiga dendrophila
    Scleropages formosus+Chromobotia macracantha+Crossocheilus oblongus
    Scatophagus argus
    Anabas testudineus
    Boraras maculatus+Trigonostigma heteromorpha+Pangio oblonga+Trichopsis vittata+Kryptopterus bicirrhis
    Puntius tetrazona+Trichopodus trichopterus
    Betta imbellis+Trigonostigma heteromorpha

    Northeast Congolian lowland rainforests
    Syncerus nanus+Papio anubis
    Allochlorocebus lhoesti+Okapia johnstoni (common indoor)
    Cercopithecus hamlyni
    Cricetomys gambianus
    Numida meleagris+Psittacus erithacus+Tauraco leucolophus+Treron calva
    Afropavo congensis
    Balanicaeps rex
    Gypohierax angolensis
    Stephanoaetus coronatus
    Ctenopoma acurirostre+Microctenopoma ansorgii+Phenacogrammus interruptus+Pantodon buchholzi

    South New Guinea lowland rainforests
    Dendrolagus goodfellowi+Thylogale brunni
    Notamacropus agilis
    Dactylopsia trivirgata (not kept in European zoos, import is needed)
    Tachyglossus aculeatus
    Hydromys chrysogaster
    Phalanger gymnotis
    Casuaricus casuaricus
    Threskiornis spinicollis+Tadorna radjah+Bubulcus ibis
    Goura sclateri+Trichoglossus haematodus
    Eclectus roratus
    Paradisea apoda
    Cicinnurus regius
    Carettochelys insclupta

    84 mammal taxa (1 Monotremata, 5 Marsupialia, 2 Xenarthra, 1 Insectivora, 1 Macroscelidia, 16 Rodentia, 19 Carnivora, 3 Chiroptera, 17 Primates, 1 Hyracoidea, 1 Perissodactyla, 17 Artiodactyla)
    89 bird txa
    21 reptile taxa
    1 amphibian species
    34 bony fish species
    229 taxa
     
  19. CrashMegaraptor

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    I really love the species list you've made. It's a nice mixture of familiar and obscure, whilst still for the most part feeling realistic. I look forward to the descriptions.
     
  20. HungarianBison

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    After doing a map sketch of my zoo. I've realized that the visitor route starts with Patagonian steppes. Unfortunately I did the map of South Central Rockies forests instead of the Patagonian steppes. You can see it here: South Central Rockies forests part of my ecoregion zoo - ZooChat
    I'd like to apologise because of the problem, description of the correct part will be done by tomorrow evening.
     
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