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South Lakes Wild Animal Park Kadi, Sumatran tiger cub

Discussion in 'United Kingdom' started by lancashirelass, 28 May 2013.

  1. lancashirelass

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    I have been searching for information on where Kadi went to for the last six months. After the recent tragic events at South Lakes, a local news station tonight mentioned that Kadi has been mauled to death by another tiger in December 2012 at the park.
    Does anyone know anything about this?
     
  2. Lynne

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    I heard it as well. shocking to keep that quiet, I thought as many did, she had been moved on to another zoo or park
     
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    We have asked a number of times directly to the Park, and they have been giving us the impression that she had been moved to another park as part of a breeding program.
    Having re-read the replies from them, they all actually say they were not allowed to reveal her location.
    Now we know why - and we are utterly disgusted and upset by this after following and sponsoring her since birth.
     
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    I dont blame you, I have never been to the park at all, but I believe in the same broadcast the owners went away for a few days, you cant get into the facebook at all now
     
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    We have emailed the Park again tonight asking for them to confirm this, as to be honest we still don't know for sure if it is true.

    We would really appreciate some clarification on this from the Park/owners but if anyone else knows anything please let us know.

    We first visited the Park when Kadi was 6 weeks old and have been back many times since checking on her progress until Nov 12 when we tried to renew our sponsorship and were told that Kadi had been moved to another zoo.

    If the news report tonight is true, I will not be going back to the Park again!
     
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    the news station only learned of the cubs death today, but no-one at the park would talk about it, but someone,s telling
     
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    TeaLovingDave Moderator Staff Member 10+ year member

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    It's been rumored for a while now that that Gill tried mixing the humanized cub with her parents, and that they promptly killed her.

    Put it this way - despite all their claims she was moved elsewhere in Europe and that they were keeping where a secret so that the recipient collection could announce it in time, it is a known fact that NOWHERE registered receipt of a Sumatran Tiger at that time.
     
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    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    no zoo is under any obligation to tell the public that an animal has died, BUT if a person/family has been sponsoring an individual animal (as in this case) it is just a common courtesy one would think to let them know. And, you know, not lie outright to them and tell them the animal has moved to another zoo!
     
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    There does not appear to be any official clarification what exactly has happened to Kadi from the South Lakes Wildlife Park, whatever has happened to her would therefore appear to be mysterious. In my opinion any respectable zoological establishment should adopt a policy of complete honesty regarding what has happened to their animals, they would gain the respect of the public for this and show that they have nothing to hide, I do think that visitors to a zoo who have been gracious enough to sponsor an animal in a zoo, and therefore take an active personal interest in its well being deserve to be told what has happened to the animal if for whatever reason it is no longer living at the zoo concerned.
     
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    All I will say is do not expect SLWAP to confirm what happened to Kadi,but as TLD has said no collection in Europe has recieved her to the best,of my knowledge!
     
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    I wish that somebody would post something to make me think better of South Lakes' director...
     
  12. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    maybe Yorik will come along and say something complimentary :D
     
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    It should presumably (eventually) be registered in the Studbook what actually happened to her?
     
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    I believe your suspicions to be correct. I was told by one of the keepers there that Gill had taken it upon himself to reintroduce the cub, against the extant guidance. The cub was killed, and the event covered up. I believe that the cub was "disposed" of within the park. Which i suspect means fed to something.
     
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    Well, if the rumours are true, Gill would hardly cover it up only to admit to it later; he is much more likely to just hope people forget about her.
     
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    I have heard rumours that other animals in the collection that have died have been "disposed" of within the zoo and fed to other animals is this true?
     
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    Well, some of the animals that have disappeared, did so *because* they were eaten by other animals.....
     
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    IF this rumour is true, and I stress a rumour, is this legal?
     
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    TeaLovingDave, this sort of thing has occurred in some of the most respected zoos in the world, conversely imprinted cats have been successfully socialised and gone on to breed successfully and reliably. You say the above as if it were an entirely irresponsible act (if, indeed, it is true).

    Can you elaborate on this?

    Lee, many zoos in Europe routinely slaughter surplus ungulates and these animals are then butchered and fed to the carnivores. Some facilities make this knowledge public others choose not to. If you look at this practice objectively then it's no different to acquiring farmed species.

    I'd also like to add that zoos generally do not issue public statements when animals are killed in conflicts. I get the impression that some of you are ignorant as to just how common these kind of deaths are in everything from small softbills to primates to large carnivores.

    I've never visited South Lakes and I have absolutely no intention of ever doing so but the place certainly gets more than it's fair share of criticism particularly when you consider some of the welfare shortfalls at other UK collections such at the RSCC.

    lancashirelass, I don't know the details of what happened to the tiger but it's my understating that the zoo would not be obligated to tell provide you with any details. I do know of examples where "adoptions" of individual animals has rolled over to their replacements after the death/transfer of the original individual and in most cases the "adoptee" is none the wiser. I'm not sure if this practice is right or wrong but adoption but I'm sure there will be reference to what happens under these circumstances in the small print of the docemt you completed.
    I hope you find the information you're looking for.
     
  20. TeaLovingDave

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    The spectacled bear enclosure consists of multiple predators - the bears - sharing an enclosure with Brazilian Tapirs, Capybaras, Asian Shortclawed Otters and Brown Capuchin Monkeys. There have been a lot of individuals disappearing from the latter collection of species - which at one point also included ringtailed coati, spider monkeys and agouti. On the rare occasions when the zoo has acknowledged any deaths, it has claimed the cause was natural causes. It is generally held that this is true, insofar as much as it is natural causes for a prey species to be eaten by a predator.

    This is indeed true. However zoos also - generally speaking - do not issue public statements claiming an animal killed in a conflict has been sent to "another collection". If the rumours are true, it is this which is the issue, rather than the failed re-integration. Had they said nothing, this would have been entirely within usual practice.