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Discussion in 'Pakistan' started by vogelcommando, 6 Jul 2014.

  1. vogelcommando

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    The Karachi safari park imported 1.3 African elephant calves from Tanzania in 2009... 0.2 now reside at the Karachi zoo- with constant public interaction and a rather pitiful enclosure...
     
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    Did the other two calves die? Or were they sent elsewhere?
     
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    it seems like four were supposed to arrive in 2009 but there were various delays and only two arrived in the end (in 2010). However the article I found is a bit vague on that.
    New arrivals at the Karachi zoo – The Express Tribune
     
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    this article is clearer. Four animals did arrive in 2009, and all stayed at the Karachi Safari Park until 2010 when two went to the Karachi Zoo.
    New enclosures: Safari Park makes room for elephants – The Express Tribune
     
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    Interesting, thanks for that Chlidonias. I wouldn't have thought exports from Africa to places like Pakistan would be allowed, especially from a country like Tanzania.

    They also plan to import "River Horses", wonder how many readers had any idea what they were.
     
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    Meh. Pakistanis aren't famous for their excellent human rights track record. It's no surprise that the animals fare worse. Muslims don't hold animals in high esteem either - dogs are considered to be unclean/impure, for example.
     
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    Not to talk about pigs......
     
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    The main issue with zoos of the Indian Sub-continent is not their religion …, so please keep that out of the equation here. It is of no relevance whatsoever.

    It is A) the near brain dead doggedness with which most senior zoo staff and municipalities run and govern the zoos in their countries, B) the unwillingness to improve exhibits and animal welfare conditions first, C) generally have a forestry / wildlife training background and inadequate knowledge of or training in proper zoo management, D) have a tendency to acquisition of new species and stock over improving the needs of their current animal collection to increase popularity with local bureaucracies and the general public, E) an unwillingness / unpreparedness to improve the knowledge base of their basic zoo keeping, scientific, veterinary and curatorial staff and give them proper job security.

    This then leads to more or less sub-standard zoo animal care, inadequate and unattractive - old menagerie-style - animal enclosures, careless / uncommitted general zoo keeping and maintenance staff and a lack of focus on presenting a representative animal collection on a scientific basis and / or ex situ conservation work and direct action for conservation.

    Within the Continent only several zoos really stand out. This includes these: Arignar Anna Zoo Park / Vandalur, Chennai (which has had close links to Jersey - Durrell in the past), the Sri Chamarajendra Zoo, Mysore, the Nehru Zoological Park, Hyderabad, Sanjay Ghandi Zoological Park, Patna and the Padmaja Naidu Zoo in Darjeeling.
     
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    Everything you said is believable. You have not factored in why there isn't a public outcry at the treatment of the animals: one major reason is culture, which in Pakistan, is synonymous with Islam.
     
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    I would object to this. There are obviously many different aspects to culture in Pakistan. These vary across the country, and being a Muslim country certainly doesn't limit all culture to religion.

    Among other issues, there's usually a tough mindset to crack in countries like this - that many animals are generally dirty/undesirable, and most are not worth expending resources for. Animal welfare just isn't a priority. It's difficult to justify spending thousands of dollars on a zoo when that money could be used to save human lives in the region.
     
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    The photo is clearly a domestic Bactrian, from the keepers' clothes and the brickwork in the background, almost certainly in the Casson building at London.

    But a source in the article says the original pair were 'brought from Gilgit-Baltistan in the 1990's'. I don't know if that's within the range of wild camels but sounds like it might be? Of course it still doesn't prove whether they were wild or domestic ones.
     
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    it isn't in the range of wild camels now, but it may have been in the 1990s (it is in northern Pakistan, bordering China). Hence why I added the caveat of "I might be wrong" ;)

    I think they are far more likely to be domestic Bactrians though.
     
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    The only truly wild camels are in Xinjiang Province, P.R. of China on the borders with Mongolia (Lop Nor). Very few left.

    I suspect this is another literal translit by journos ... Pakistan and the Indian subcontinent for parts is literally swamped with domesticateds.
     
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    Just out of interest: is there any Muslim country that has world class zoo or aquaria that live up to Western standards of modern zoo husbandry and animal welfare?

    The only ones that I can think of are (at least to a certain extent) the Al Wabra Wildlife Preservation (does that qualify as a zoo?) and the Dubai Aquarium & Underwater Zoo. Thanks in advance for any additions.

    Religion (and its pratical implementation) has a serious cultural impact on a society, even more so when the religion in question strives for comprehensive political power.
     
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    In the UAE, you've also got the Atlantis Lost Chambers Aquarium, Sharjah Aquarium and, most notably, Arabia's Wildlife Centre. There are probably more aquariums, and the Dubai Safari will hopefully be world-class when it opens.

    Other possible contenders include the new Rabat Zoo, Kuwait Science Centre, the Omani Aquarium and Marine Science and Fisheries Centre, and several Malaysian zoos (Taiping, Negara, Aquaria KLCC?).