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Like a Rhinestone Cowboy: FunkyGibbon in Europe

Discussion in 'Europe - General' started by FunkyGibbon, 30 Mar 2017.

  1. FunkyGibbon

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    I'm rather afraid that I find both the writing itself and getting the motivation to write easier with a little beer inside. Not at all ideal for various potential career moves!
     
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    Unfortunately I was under a lot of time pressure to get my bus, but I did pick up a postcard; I had to settle for horned guan rather than ground cuckoo :)
     
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    You were a lone voice in the darkness, but it was actually the people explaining why they thought I wouldn't like it that tilted me into visiting. I thought I might be pleasantly surprised as in theory I like what you describe as Hannoverian, I just didn't like Hannover.

    Incidentally, I'm not convinced the African section is Hannoverian,but I accept I didn't give it a fair shake on my visit.
     
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    Germany Part 9 - Hagenbeck to the future

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    This will be my last major update for a while. I've now arrived in Denmark and tomorrow I'll go and stay with friends and the writing will stop. The Danish zoos I visit, a list still in flux, will hopefully get some kind of round up post later.

    I spent three days in Hamburg, enjoying what is a very nicely constructed modern city. In the end I didn't go to Kiel as there was just more to do in Hamburg. This meant I didn't actually use all my travel days on my interrail pass, but it was still a godsend as it allowed me to spontaneously do Berlin. Possibly, having had the extra travel day I could have worked in Leipzig, but there's always a good reason to go back.

    As I'm writing this I am deliberately not reading CGSwans' post, the notification for which just hit my alerts, so there may be some duplication (which would be natural!). For those not following ZooChat's premier summer travel thread, we arranged to meet-up to enjoy Hagenbeck together. For once I was early, which Vision and lintworm can attest is not my strong suit. I can't claim the credit for this because I misremembered the directions I read on Google the night before. In any case, I was waiting happily when a vision in red approached; CGSwans was helpfully wearing a Sydney Swans polo shirt to really hammer home the point.

    Hagenbeck Tierpark, July 29th

    I started this German leg in Cologne with a ZooChatter and I finished it in Hamburg in the same way. Cologne could lay a case for being the best all-round zoo on the trip, sadly Hamburg was quite the opposite. I was deeply grateful for CGSwans' company, as without him I would have felt it was a day virtually wasted. His knowledge of the historical significance of the collection was also better than mine, so a double boon.

    There's no easy way to say this, and it won't be fun to hear either, but....
    Hamburg came off as the shell of a once great zoo. There were highlights for sure, and I'll dwell on those, but in general it was not impressive at all. Again, weather played its part, but this feels like a tired collection that is not moving forward.

    Entry is an eye-watering thirty euros for the zoo and the aquarium, or twenty and fourteen each respectively. We did the aquarium last, but in fact it was undoubtedly the best, most up-to-date part of the collection, although not my favourite. A very large walkthrough indoor aviary forms the core of it, with herps and inverts tucked away under the internal architecture and then a separate floor for fish below all of that. Sadly we didn't have time to passerine hunt in the main aviary, as there were a couple of things we both needed, but I did get a brief glimpse of a male Paradise whydah, a nice pick-up after missing them at Walsrode. There are two features of interest in the aviary; a huge pool for Nile crocs, and a two story building with a restaurant on the top. Underneath perhaps the most noteworthy exhibit was one for fruit bats with wire instead of glass; it was 'pungent' to say the least.

    The aquarium, as in the fishy bit, was actually really excellent, and the final tank was both surprisingly large and surprisingly well done. We spent a lot longer in here than we had planned.

    It's hard to explain exactly why I'm so down on Hamburg, but we might as well start with a list of notably poor enclosures: tigers, giant otters, polar bears and lions. The holding for the very rare Three-horn face was also completely inadequate.

    Now before the old hands start spluttering, it's necessary to point out the lion enclosure is part of the classic African panorama. You stand in a corner of the zoo and look across the Flamingo pool to the Zebra, Warthog and Ostrich savannah, above which you can see, just, a pride of Lions, and then finally rising above all of this is a rocky mountain with Barbary sheep and Tahr. It's very impressive, particularly as you can walk between all the exhibits to get closer views, out of sight of the main vantage point. I'm also a sucker for a good goat mountain, and this is a good goat mountain. The problem here, as I've already alluded to, is that it's not a good lion exhibit. It's very small indeed. I wonder if it's completely unalterable or if they could somehow extend it in someway. Something of a quandary for the zoo no doubt.

    The Eismeer is an exhibit complex featuring Polar bear, walrus, South American fur seal, Humboldt's, King and Gentoo penguins, as well as puffins, guillemots and other seabirds. Walruses were a huge lifer for me, and we spent a long time watching the six Hamburg has. They're completely entrancing, and I'm so glad I got the opportunity to see them. No tusks, but really still one of the highlights of the trip. The puffin aviary was very tastefully netted, and the indoor penguin exhibit rivals Wuppertal as the best I've seen. A pity then, that when they built or renovated all this in 2009 they chose to tack on a thoroughly third rate polar bear exhibit, which in terms of size and lack of substrate seems to have come from a different era. Almost as if it's embarrassed by itself, it's also tucked away at the back with frankly poor viewing opportunities. Very much the turd in the hamper (points if you get the reference).

    Opposite the Eismeer is a delightful little bird house, with some rarities to boot. One aviary netted us both five new passerines, which given how far through Europe CGSwans is is quite an achievement!

    The hoofstock paddocks are mostly unremarkable, and there's nothing wrong with that. Our first view inside the zoo was onagers with camels behind, which you might say was very Hagenbeckian. The brown bear exhibit is also very middle of the road, but we had fun trying to guess the subspecies (Kamchatka, if you're playing at home).

    Two expansive cages for North Chinese Leopard and Mandrill in the same style as the ones for Siberian tigers were impressive where the latter had disappointed. The elephant enclosure was again perfectly ordinary, but sadly we witnessed Hamburg's notorious elephant husbandry, with keeper not just in free but seemingly constant contact, and plenty of use of the bullhook. I don't know what I'm talking about of course, but I note that this form of interaction has been left behind by other zoos and I imagine they do.

    I had read about Hamburg's Orangutan enclosure before. It's a huge translucent dome that can be rotated open or closed depending on the weather, so that indoor exhibit becomes the outdoor exhibit. A interesting idea, but inside the dome is essentially a traditional, albeit well executed, orang island and I can't help feeling that such a huge space could have been better used if the orangs had access to all of it. The concept of opening it wouldn't work anymore but it would be a truly great exhibit anyway, particularly if you got the visitors up high inside. Active individuals were nice to see, as were the ASCOs that are mixed with them.

    As I write this review I'm cautious of being too harsh on Hagenbeck. Part of the problem is that due to the pricing structure the aquarium feels like a separate entity. Part of the problem is that this is my tenth zoo in two weeks and so a good collection isn't the draw it should be. Fundamentally though, Hagenbeck is a zoo that should be a modern day giant rather than just a historical one. And it is so far from that. The way forward is obvious: build more panoramas or panorama-like exhibits. Lean into your strengths. More than any other zoo I've been to, this is the one I'd love to see turned around.
     
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    Here goes; as I tend to do with my trip reports the first occurrence of a species will be written in bold and with a scientific name following:

    • Sickle-billed Vanga (Falculea palliata), Crested Coua (Coua cristata) and Red Fody (Foudia madagascarensis)
    • Cuckoo-Roller (Leptosomus discolor), Emerald Starling (Lamprotornis iris) and Ocellated Turkey (Meleagris ocellata)
    • Malagasy Crested Ibis (Lophotibis cristata), Green Woodhoopoe (Phoeniculus purpureus) and Blue Coua (Coua caerulea)
    • Sulawesi Knobbed Hornbill (Rhyticeros cassidix)
    • Horned Guan (Oreophasis derbianus) and Crested Coua
    • Black-casqued Hornbill (Ceratogymna atrata)
    • Toco Toucan (Ramphastos toco)
    • European Golden Oriole (Oriolus oriolus), Collared Imperial Pigeon (Ducula muelleri), Pink-spotted Fruit Dove (Ptilinopus perlatus), Bare-eyed Mountain Pigeon (Gymnophaps albertsii), Giant Coua (Coua gigas) and Red Fody.
    • Blyth's Hornbill (Rhyticeros plicatus)
    • Red-billed Toucan (Ramphastos tucanus tucanus)
    • White-cheeked Turaco (Tauraco leucotis leucotis), Brown-breasted Barbet (Pogonornis melanopterus), Brown Tinamou (Crypturellus obsoletus) and Salvadori's Pheasant (Lophura inornata)
    • Red-and-Yellow Barbet (Trachyphonus erythrocephalus), White-rumped Shama (Copsychus malabaricus) and Wattled Guan (Aburria aburri)
    • Mindanao Wrinkled Hornbill (Rhabdotorrhinus leucocephalus)
    • Purple-crested Turaco (Gallirex porphyreolophus), Black-headed Sibia (Malacias desgodinsi), Eurasian Stone Curlew (Burrhinus oedocnemis oedocnemis), Brahminy Starling (Sturnia pagodarum), Wonga Pigeon (Leucosarcia melanoleuca) and White Woodpecker (Melanerpes candidus)
    • Black-and-White Laughingthrush (Garrulax bicolor), White-necked Pheasant-Pigeon (Otidiphaps nobilis aruensis) and Western Red-wattled Lapwing (Vanellus indicus aigneri)
    • Snowy-crowned Robin-chat (Cossypha niveicappila), Red Fody, Gold-crested Myna (Ampeliceps coronatus), Bare-eyed Mountain Pigeon, Siamese Fireback (Lophura diardi), Pink-spotted Fruit Dove and Collared Imperial Pigeon
    • Channel-billed Toucan (Ramphastos vitellinus vitellinus)
    • White-crested Turaco (Tauraco leucolophus), White-shouldered Starling (Sturnia sinensis), Black-breasted Thrush (Turdus dissimilis), Scarlet-headed Blackbird (Amblyramphus holosericeus) and Red Junglefowl (Gallus gallus gallus)
    • Blue-billed Curassow (Crax alberti) and Blue Coua
    • Blue Coua and Coral-billed Ground Cuckoo (Carpococcyx renauldi)
    • Luzon Rufous Hornbill (Buceros hydrocorax)
    • Blue-crowned Laughingthrush (Dryonastes courtoisi) and White-crested Guan (Penelope pileata)
    • Lady Amherst's Pheasant (Chrysolophus amherstiae)
    • Chestnut-eared Aracari (Pteroglossus castanotis)
    • Red-crested Turaco (Tauraco erythrolophus), Australian Brush-turkey (Alectura lathami), Brahminy Starling and Crested Myna (Acridotheres cristatellus)
    • Sulawesi Tarictic Hornbill (Rhabdoterrhinus exarhatus sandfordi) and Kagu (Rhynochetos jubatus)
    • Great Hornbill (Buceros bicornis)
    • Inca Jay (Cyanocorax yncas) and Grey-winged Trumpeter (Psophia crepitans)
    • Piapiac (Ptilostomus afer), Superb Starling (Lamprotornis superbus), Black Crake (Zapornia flavirostra), Western Red-Wattled Lapwing, Javan Pond-heron (Ardeola speciosa) and Black Bulbul (Hypsipetes leucocephalus)
     
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    Apologies, I did see a cuckoo roller, but it was a female with the head hunched down. When I googled it a few days ago I completely didn't recognise that I was looking at something I'd already seen.
     
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  7. TeaLovingDave

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    I would be interested to know whether there any major species which have either gone onshow in the Fasanerie since my visit, or which have been lost :p I know of a taxon apiece in each category to start off; I believe Curl-crested Aracari has gone onshow, and Brown Tinamou has been lost (from public collections in Europe, in fact).
     
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    Here's the list from my visit in April of this year. I underlined all changes to make them more obvious.
    • Sickle-billed Vanga (Falculea palliata), Crested Coua (Coua cristata), Red Fody (Foudia madagascarensis) and Cuckoo-Roller (Leptosomus discolor)
    • Malagasy Crested Ibis (Lophotibis cristata), Emerald Starling (Lamprotornis iris) and Blue Coua (Coua caerulea)
    • (Non-existent aviary; perhaps combined with the previous one to form one bigger aviary together?) (no more green woodhoopoes, cuckoo-rollers and occelated turkeys over this aviary and the previous one)
    • Sulawesi Knobbed Hornbill (Rhyticeros cassidix)
    • Wattled guan (Aburria aburri) and Golden-bellied grosbeak (Pheucticus chrysogaster)
    • Black-casqued Hornbill (Ceratogymna atrata)
    • Toco Toucan (Ramphastos toco)
    • European Golden Oriole (Oriolus oriolus) and Bare-eyed Mountain Pigeon (Gymnophaps albertsii). (no more collared imperial pigeons, pink-spotted fruit-doves, giant couas and red fodies)
    • Great Hornbill (Buceros bicornis)
    • Red-billed Toucan (Ramphastos tucanus tucanus)
    • White-cheeked Turaco (Tauraco leucotis leucotis), Brown-breasted Barbet (Pogonornis melanopterus), and Red-billed curassow (Crax blumenbachii) (no more brown tinamou and Salvadori's pheasants)
    • Crested coua (Coua cristata) and Horned Guan (Oreophasis derbianus) (no more red-and-yellow barbets, white-rumped shamas and wattled guans)
    • Mindanao Wrinkled Hornbill (Rhabdotorrhinus leucocephalus)
    • Purple-crested Turaco (Gallirex porphyreolophus), Black-headed Sibia (Malacias desgodinsi), Red-and-yellow barbet (Trachyphonus erythrocephalus), Giant Coua (Coua gigas), Wonga Pigeon (Leucosarcia melanoleuca) and White Woodpecker (Melanerpes candidus) (no more Eurasian stone curlews and brahminy starlings)
    • Black-and-White Laughingthrush (Garrulax bicolor), Giant Coua (Coua gigas) and Western Red-wattled Lapwing (Vanellus indicus aigneri) (no more pheasant-pigeons)
    • Snowy-crowned Robin-chat (Cossypha niveicappila), Red Fody, Gold-crested Myna (Ampeliceps coronatus), Siamese Fireback (Lophura diardi), and Pink-spotted Fruit Dove. (no more Collared Imperial Pigeon and bare-eyed mountain pigeon)
    • Channel-billed Toucan (Ramphastos vitellinus vitellinus)
    • White-crested Turaco (Tauraco leucolophus), White-shouldered Starling (Sturnia sinensis), Rosy starling (Pastor roseus), Scarlet-headed Blackbird (Amblyramphus holosericeus) and Red Junglefowl (Gallus gallus gallus) (no more black-breasted thrush)
    • Blue-billed Curassow (Crax alberti), Crested coua and Black bulbul (Hypsipetes leucocephalus)
    • Golden-headed quetzal (Pharomachrus auriceps) (no more blue coua and coral-billed ground-cuckoo)
    • Blue Coua (Coua caerulea) and Black-and-white laughingthrush (Garrulax bicolor) (no more Luzon rufous hornbill)
    • Blue-crowned Laughingthrush (Dryonastes courtoisi) and White-crested Guan (Penelope pileata)
    • Blyth's hornbill (Rhyticeros plicatus) (no more lady amherst's pheasant)
    • Chestnut-eared Aracari (Pteroglossus castanotis)
    • Red-crested Turaco (Tauraco erythrolophus), Australian Brush-turkey (Alectura lathami), Brahminy Starling, Crested Myna (Acridotheres cristatellus) and Blue-bellied roller (Coracias cyanogaster)
    • Sulawesi Tarictic Hornbill (Rhabdoterrhinus exarhatus sandfordi) and Kagu (Rhynochetos jubatus)
    • Luzon Rufous Hornbill (Buceros hydrocorax) (no more great hornbill)
    • Inca Jay (Cyanocorax yncas) and Grey-winged Trumpeter (Psophia crepitans)
    • Piapiac (Ptilostomus afer), Superb Starling (Lamprotornis superbus), Black Crake (Zapornia flavirostra), Western Red-Wattled Lapwing, Javan Pond-heron (Ardeola speciosa) and Black Bulbul (Hypsipetes leucocephalus)
    Overall species gained (07/2016 - 04/2017): Golden-bellied grosbeak, Red-billed curassow, Rosy starling, Golden-headed quetzal, Blyth's hornbill, Blue-bellied roller.

    Species lost (07/2016 - 04/2017): Green woodhoopoe, Ocellated turkey, Collared imperial pigeon, Brown tinamou, Salvadori's pheasant, White-rumped shama, Eurasian stone curlew, Black-breasted thrush, Coral-billed ground-cuckoo, White-naped pheasant-pigeon, Lady Amherst's pheasant.

    Curl-crested aracari did indeed go on-show, but not in the pheasantry; they were in the toucan aviares between the parrot house and lori house.

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    Nice review of Hamburg! It's a collection I've been wanting to visit for a while now, mainly because of the bird house and the walruses, but have been putting off because it's quite far away. It's very interesting to read your opinion on the matter!
     
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    Blyth's Hornbill was in my list, too :p also it appears that the Coral-billed Ground Cuckoo has gone back onshow since your visit, going by FG's post.
     
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    I just saw this:
    Brush-tailed Bettong;)
    There's also Common Wallaroos now.

    I don't know what "naturalistic tricks" would look like but I think you're being unfair concerning the messaging.

    Just off the top of my head, you have:
    introduction of species, individuals, and habitat
    group structure and family tree
    seeing through water surface
    anatomy (fins, distinction to fish, teeth, ears, blowhole)
    purpose of different fins
    strength and weight
    skills/play
    sonar abilities
    dangers (drift net)
    examples of how tricks are taught in a dolphinarium
    jumps
    more anatomy (what's a dolphin feel like, more fish distinction, noise production)

    even the last bit where they shoot balls into the crowd (which is more about interaction than direct messaging) they mention the filter system
    etc pp
     
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    You should also look out for the sea-birds and some of the reptiles (f.e. Schokari sand racer, Legless Lizard).

    When I went last year the Puffins hadn't made it onto Zootierliste yet (didn't have a sign at the zoo (yet?) either). So it was quite a nice surprise to see them there.
     
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    This thread seemed to go quiet after Germany, what happened to the Danish part @FunkyGibbon?

    :p
     
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    My German is basic, so all of that, assuming it hasn't changed, went over my head. All I can say is that 'with the sound off', it very much appeared to be just lots of dramatic tricks, chosen purely because they are impressive or crowdpleasing. Perhaps they've done a good job of updating how those tricks are put into context. I really couldn't say.
     
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    I'm still on the road, in Malacca atm, so I haven't had time to write Denmark up, but I hope to.
    In the end I visited Copenhagen, Odense and Fjord & Baelt.
     
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    Good to know that there's hope for the journey to be finished! @TeaLovingDave should take note... :p
     
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    I think you mean TeaLovingGeorgeRRMartin.
     
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    Is there still hope now? Were waiting Funky :p
     
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    I've slowly started uploading photos from the trip into the galleries. I'm trying to upload only decent or interesting ones! These are just from my phone, there'll be another batch when I do my little point-and-click. I've promised myself when I get to Denmark (& beyond) I'll do short write-ups for those zoos.

    Reviewing photos is always fun. I find most zoos look a little rosier in hindsight. So far I've been struck by just how good Zurich is (I wonder if I should move it to #1 on my list after all) and how suited to myself Cologne's collection is.
     
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    You know, I think this too about Cologne. Looking back, I feel that one full day there from opening time to closing time just wasn’t enough for me!
     
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    I've got as far as Hannover. Going through those photos wasn't all that much fun; it really was a miserable zoo on a miserable day being viewed by a miserable visitor. Good for you if you like it though. If they could deliver a much more thoughtful collection in the same style it would be a pretty great day out.
    Every other zoo has been a delight to review :)
     
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