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Mammal Orders and Families - how many have you seen?

Discussion in 'General Zoo Discussion' started by Chlidonias, 12 Apr 2020.

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  1. Najade

    Najade Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    @Giant Eland I guess we have a new winner:D

    How have you never seen a hedgehog in the wild though?
     
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  2. Dassie rat

    Dassie rat Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Congratulations, Giant Eland
    You're making the first claim to see the 4 Families of mammals listed above.
     
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  3. Giant Eland

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    @Najade I had to think about it a bit, but I actually haven't seen a wild hedgehog yet! I'm sure if Europe was my homebase this wouldn't be the case. No wild bear yet is probably my most unforgivable haha.

    Also wanted meant to ask @Najade was there a captive Family Mystacinidae (New Zealand Short-tailed Bat) you weren't sure of (if so, WHERE!?), or was that an errant asterisk?

    I compared my list with @ThylacineAlive and noticed he's seen wild bears, beavers and manatees while I haven't. I need to up my wild game!
     
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  4. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    On Najade's NZ travel thread it was said the bats were not seen because they were no longer at Auckland Zoo.

    For @Giant Eland they were held (and bred) for a period at Auckland Zoo [where I saw them] but they have since died out.
     
    Chlidonias, 17 Apr 2020
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  5. birdsandbats

    birdsandbats Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I'm surprised you haven't seen a wild bear. How many of the species have you been in range of?
     
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  6. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    I've never seen a wild bear either. Granted I don't live in America like @Giant Eland but still I've missed Giant Panda, Sloth Bear, Asiatic Black Bear and Sun Bear ("missed" as in I have been in countries in which they occur).

    These are the Families I have seen wild:

    Family Ornithorhynchidae (Platypus)
    Family Tachyglossidae (echidnas)
    Family Dasyuridae (dasyurids)
    Family Peramelidae (bandicoots)
    Family Phascolarctidae (Koala)
    Family Vombatidae (wombats)
    Family Phalangeridae (brushtail possums and cuscuses)
    Family Pseudocheiridae (ringtail possums)
    Family Petauridae (striped possums, gliders)
    Family Hypsiprymnodontidae (Musky Rat Kangaroo)
    Family Potoroidae (rat kangaroos)
    Family Macropodidae (kangaroos, wallabies)
    Family Elephantidae (elephants)
    Family Cynocephalidae (colugos)
    Family Tupaiidae (tree shrews)
    Family Lorisidae (lorises)
    Family Tarsiidae (tarsiers)
    Family Cercopithecidae (Old World monkeys)
    Family Hylobatidae (gibbons)
    Family Hominidae (apes)
    Family Sciuridae (squirrels)
    Family Hystricidae (Old World porcupines)
    Family Dipodidae (jerboas, jumping mice)
    Family Cricetidae (voles, hamsters, New World rats and mice)
    Family Muridae (Old World rats and mice)
    Family Ochotonidae (pikas)
    Family Leporidae (rabbits)
    Family Erinaceidae (hedgehogs, gymnures)
    Family Soricidae (shrews)
    Family Pteropodidae (Old World fruit bats)
    Family Megadermatidae (false vampire bats)
    Family Craseonycteridae (Kitti's Hog-nosed Bat)
    Family Rhinolophidae (horseshoe bats)
    Family Hipposideridae (Old World leaf-nosed bats)
    Family Emballonuridae (sheath-tailed or sac-winged bats)
    Family Manidae (pangolins)
    Family Felidae (cats)
    Family Viverridae (civets, genets)
    Family Herpestidae (mongooses)
    Family Canidae (dogs)
    Family Otariidae (eared seals)
    Family Phocidae (earless seals)
    Family Mustelidae (weasels, badgers, otters)
    Family Ailuridae (Red Panda)
    Family Equidae (horses)
    Family Tapiridae (tapirs)
    Family Rhinocerotidae (rhinoceroses)
    Family Suidae (pigs)
    Family Tragulidae (mouse deer)
    Family Cervidae (deer)
    Family Bovidae (bovids)
    Family Balaenidae (right whales)
    Family Balaenopteridae (rorquals)
    Family Delphinidae (dolphins)
    Family Physeteridae (Sperm Whale)
    Family Platanistidae (Ganges Dolphin)
     
    Chlidonias, 17 Apr 2020
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  7. Giant Eland

    Giant Eland Well-Known Member 10+ year member

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    Ah that's a shame! Any clue where in the zoo they were kept in February of 2007 (When I visited)? Did you ever manage any photos? I see none are uploaded of live animals.

    Also @Chlidonias what's the story behind seeing wild Kitti's Hog-nosed Bat? How difficult was that!?


    @birdsandbats been in range of Sloth Bear in the wild in India and Black Bears and Brown Bears in the wild in various parts of the US. Never was my main target, but also haven't had any random luck with them either.
     
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  8. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    They weren't at the zoo in February 2007. The bats were part of a translocation project (to predator-free Kapiti Island) but developed ear infections which meant that they couldn't echo-locate, so they were retained in captivity. Twelve bats were sent to Auckland Zoo in September 2007, but they remained off-display until 2011. The last of the group died out in 2017. I didn't get any usable photos of them unfortunately.

    The Kitti's Hog-nosed Bats were at Sai Yok in 2006 - I have no idea what the situation there is now.
     
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  9. Najade

    Najade Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    @Giant Eland Yes, the bats were gone last time I visited. But I went to Auckland Zoo back in 2012. I think I saw them then (just not 100% sure).
     
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  10. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    They were definitely on display in 2012 - in the nocturnal house in Te Wao Nui. I gather from other posts on the forum that they may have been difficult to see for some people though.
     
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    aardvark250 Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    I check my lifetick list again and found out I have seen 3 more family. I have seen opossum, fossa and capybara so that 3 families should be also bold.
     
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  12. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    Where did you see an opossum, and which species?
     
    Chlidonias, 17 Apr 2020
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  13. Jurek7

    Jurek7 Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    I wonder if any person on the world seen all mammal orders? The difficult part is marsupial mole AND shrew-oposssums and monito del monte.
     
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  14. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    I'm guessing there is no-one. It's quite conceivable that someone has seen both of those American families, but (I think) inconceivable that anyone has also seen a marsupial mole given how extremely rarely they are seen by anybody at all.
     
    Chlidonias, 17 Apr 2020
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  15. aardvark250

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    Gray short tailed opossum in Ueno.
     
    aardvark250, 18 Apr 2020
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  16. Giant Eland

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    #goals

    Finishing out every family in Cetacea would be quite an undertaking by itself! I assume we'll make an exception to Lipotidae if the Baiji indeed turns out to be extinct!
     
    Giant Eland, 19 Apr 2020
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  17. Dassie rat

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    I went to college with someone who later saw a live baiji.
     
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    Wow! Captive or wild? Any photos!?
     
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  19. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    Baiji would be an exception to seeing all living families, but the reason I have it in there is because there are people who have seen them before extinction.

    I have seen a Baiji but it was in a museum.
     
    Chlidonias, 19 Apr 2020
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  20. Chlidonias

    Chlidonias Moderator Staff Member 15+ year member

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    He is talking about Mark Carwardine, if you are familiar with Last Chance To See.
     
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