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North American AZA Southern White Rhino Population

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  1. Kifaru Bwana

    Kifaru Bwana Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Conclusions:
    I) 6 facilities (DAK, Rum Creek, SD-WAP, LCS, Wilds and White Oak) are the major producers for the AZA/SSP program. I disallowed Fossil Rim to be called that as it has not bred their white rhinos since 2018 (a new male arrived in 2018 ... I think).
    II) Few city zoos in smaller cities even have a succesful breeding group: only a shocking 7 and 2 of these helped out by introduction of a proven female from one of the bit achievers.
    III) A further 16+1 MEX city / large conglomeration zoos have no breeding group (and often held them for years on end)
    IV) There are 14 bachelor male groups, 1 non-breeding female group (elderly former breeders at Knoxville)
    V) 5 zoos starting up with a potential breeding group.
    Controversially 3 of these have changed from black rhino to white rhino in recent years (Atlanta, Columbia and San Antonio, the latter now exclusively so).

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    VI) the large CSC2 facilities seem to be working together to get some of their proven cows now out to non-breeding groups in city zoos (Tulsa, ) or larger ones with no succesful breeding till date (like Rolling Hills) and allow for space for the younger generations to go on to become broeders themselves.
    VII) strangely enough - despite data to the opposite - many city zoos with no breeding have either maintained closely related individuals in bloodline (sometimes matrilines with F1 offspring, which indicative from the EEP/European program does have major stumbling blocks as a breeding strategy and does not correspond to wild-to-wild breeding where female breeding cows push out their daughters (who then closely associate with another proven adult breeding female).
    VIII) another surprise remains that under achieving breeding groups tend to remain together far too long (Birmingham, Jacksonville, Memphis, Brevard, Indianapolis et cetera) even though pairs are incompatible as a pairing or in age behavioral wise (quite a few zoos have a sub-adult male with overly adult female cows that will not accept a male like that for a good number of years).
     
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    Kifaru Bwana Well-Known Member 15+ year member

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    Example: puzzling situation. Busch Gardens has not bred their 1.2 SAfrican imports original trio since 2015. Added another 2 SAfr. imported females recently but has not brought in a new or proven male to breed with the group Their current male is 27+ years and ageing. The group has stopped breeding. Their F1 is yet to reproduce in good numbers . Why no change of tactics?

    Another one: Memphis, new pair since 2015 CB but together since 2011 at Knoxville. Never bother to bring another female and or a new male to stimulate breeding.

    Last: Tulsa. Bring in a 4 year old juveniele male to breed a 14 year old adult cow. They waste 5+ years before he even mature enough. Too long for a cow not to be bred at all and all the while cycling. And Nashville too, new 6 year old sub adult male with sexually mature cows. It will take another 3 years before perhaps a first calf. Why wait that long?
     
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    This calf has been named "Logan" which is a combination of her parents' names, mother "Lola" and father "Dugan". She will be joining the rest of the crash including both her elder half-brothers in the coming months.
     
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    Vancouver STILL hasn't announced that they have a rhino. I am starting to think that is might be a hoax.
     
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    It most certainly isn’t a hoax. Toronto has explicitly stated that Theo’s is headed there and even posted a video of his journey there. He’s probably still in quarantine and getting used to his new habitat or something along those lines.
     
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    Animals R AMAZING, here is a link to the website and there is no rhino listed.
    Animals | Greater Vancouver Zoo
     
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    Just because an animal is not listed on a zoos website does not mean they don’t have them. There are plenty of examples of zoos having animals and not listing them on websites. That’s why we create species list after all, because not all the animals are listed on a zoos website. Also as @Animals R AMAZING! said earlier in the thread there is visual evidence of his journey to Vancouver.
     
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    I can confirm that Theo made the Journey Across Canada to his new home from a keeper source, as well on the Toronto Zoo's podcast (Wild For Life)Episode #79 It's all about the transfer of Theo to the Greater Vancouver Zoo.
     
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    First a little insulted you think I am posting hoaxes. I never post anything without a sound source. Toronto announced the move before it happened on their Facebook page on October 14th 2021. They also shared his journey on December 17th 2021 with video of his arrival and him in his new home. Also there is the podcast @Akula outlined. Just because Vancouver hasnt announced his arrival doesn't mean there is some conspiracy. They are probably just waiting to announce it in the spring when they can get the biggest bang for the buck in terms of guest excitement and visits. Announce it now and it wont do them much good in driving guests. In the spring people will flock to see the new species. And to keep it a bit of a surprise of course they wouldnt put it on their website.
     
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    Vancouver held white rhino before (as well), so not like they have no experience of maintaining rhinos. It is safe to assume a good number of Canadian zoos now all have (white) rhinos in their collection (admittedly some of them somewhat ambitiously so).
     
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    The source: ‎Wild For Life: WFL 79: Transferring Theo The Rhino from the Toronto Zoo on Apple Podcasts

    QUOTE:
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    WFL 79: Transferring Theo The Rhino from the Toronto ZooWild For Life
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    How do you transport a juvenile rhinoceros from Toronto to Vancouver during a pandemic? Vicki Hardstaff, the Toronto Zoo’s Animal Logistics Coordinator, joins me in today’s episode to discuss the planning and execution of transferring Theo the rhinoceros to the Greater Vancouver Zoo.

    We discuss the number of Zoo staff that accompanied Theo; his surroundings during the transfer; and, how long the distance actually is between Toronto and Vancouver!
    " UNQOUTE

    Eat an Apple and Enjoy the Ride.
     
  12. RhinoHippoElephantGiraffe

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    A non-AZA facility in Gentry, Arkansas known as Wild Wilderness Drive-Through Safari, closed last week. Their rhino (I believe his name is Ungus) needs a new home. Where is likely to be his new home?
     
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    Probably a non-AZA zoo? I doubt he’ll be moved into the AZA population.
     
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    One of the many other safaris, most likely.
     
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    Perhaps they could move him to Wild Florida, since it was confirmed that the facility was building a new enclosure for that particular species.
     
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    Just a note on here, the male rhino born in December at Rolling Hills Zoo is named Augustus.
     
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    Ngala in Naples Florida holds 1.0.0 - Walter born somewhere between 2007 and 2009 depending on sources I saw.
     
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    Some updates:

    The female calf born to 0.1 Anan and 1.0 Kengele at the Wilds has been named Astrid and the male calf born to 0.1 Agnes and 1.0 Kengele has been named Gustav.

    Beastly Banner & Wilds Connection Spring 2022

    0.1 Livia at the San Diego Zoo Safari Park is pregnant and due in July. She conceived via natural breeding and the sire should be J Gregory.

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    On June 21st, the Rolling Hills Zoo announced that 30-year-old male Uzazi was euthanized after he wasn't responding well to treatment. The decision to euthanize him was made, because his quality of life was rapidly declining. This leaves Rolling Hills Zoo with two remaining White Rhinos.
     
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