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Discussion in 'Italy' started by Piko, 11 May 2013.

  1. Marcin

    Marcin Well-Known Member

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    Hi Guys.
    Can someone please confirm what are the names and details of Faunistico katanga lions?
    I know GIULIO is one of them but thats the only thing I got.

    Much appreciated!

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    Found another one. Casa (female), from Gdansk/Poland. b. 7.10.2017.
     
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  2. Mickey

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    If we want to be precise, you should've said "Valcorba" rather than "Faunistico", since parco faunistico means animal park/tierpark in italian:p
     
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  3. Marcin

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    Sorry!
    Can't edit it anymore :/
     
  4. Mickey

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    No problem with it but just wanted to clarify in case you'll find yourself to nominate one in the future
     
  5. Marco Penello

    Marco Penello Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    Please, keep in mind that no lions in Europe are 100% Katanga.
     
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  6. Marcin

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    Can you explain more on that please?
     
  7. Marco Penello

    Marco Penello Well-Known Member 5+ year member

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    It's a long and tricky matter, too long for a chat; but I can guarantee that there are no 100% Katanga lions in Europe genetically. Indeed, EAZA runs an EEP for African lions without focusing on subspecies because it's almost impossible to find pure specimens of each subspecies (we may still have some Barbary lions, but even in this case it is not 100% provable).
     
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  8. Marcin

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    So based on what you are saying its a matter of time when the "pure katanga" in zoos will be "canceled" ?
     
  9. Mickey

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    Most african lions in zoos are not purebred, the fact that they're listed as a subspecies on ZooTierliste is because their bloodline had a founder of possibly that subspecies and they likely carry those genes, but no african lion is 100% pure in zoos in Europe and most likey in US too.
    Heads up, lion taxonomy and feline taxonomy in general is a field you don't wanna venture in:p
     
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    Not exactly true, the pair of Beauval has been imported from South Africa, they belong to the krugeri subspecies. It may be the case of other pairs in European zoos.
    Moreover, the lion taxonomy is tricky as said by @Mickey. Some authors retain only 2 subspecies of African Lion : the Northern (in North and West Africa) and the Southern (in East and South Africa), with a band of overlapping between Gabon and Ethiopia ; most of the former subspecies, described on phenotypical or even political criteria (as many countries, and formerly colonial powers, claimed to have their "unique" lion subspecies) would be invalidated in this case (that would probably make the things easier for any Lion populations management, in zoos but also in situ).
     
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    Zoo Hodonin will send 0.2 Arabian oryx to Valcorba in middle of April.

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